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I'm not going to comment on the entire Apollo Technical source, but I think some of their claims are misleading. For instance, they say this: > A study by Stan

I'm not going to comment on the entire Apollo Technical source, but I think some of their claims are misleading. For instance, they say this: > A study by Standford of 16,000 workers over 9 months found that working from home increase productivity by 13%. They link to the study, but it 404s. I believe this is the study [0] and it focuses on a single call-center. It's not a broad survey of 16,000 workers. [0]: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/working-papers/does-working-home-work-evidence-chinese-experiment https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/working-papers...

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Okay, so what numbers would you believe? Collectively, there are hundreds of billions of dollars in market cap and value generated by remote first tech or very remote friendly companies of various sizes. The argument can't be made these orgs would be more productive if everyone was dragged into the office on feels alone. https://builtin.com/remote-work/best-places-remote-work https://builtin.com/remote-work/best-places-remote-work
- kotlin2 4y ago
  I would believe any numbers that were objectively presented with sound methodology. Using a single call center study as evidence that worker productivity increases just doesn't make sense. Most work isn't anything like working in a call center. Here is another misleading claim from that link: > Working Remotely Can Increase Productivity up to 77% But they then clarify that "77% of those who work remotely at least a few times per month show increased productivity." Productivity increasing by 77% is not the same as 77% of people experiencing any productivity gain. Also, they link to a source for this claim, but the link takes you to a blog spam page titled "43 Productivity Tools That Will Make Your Life Much Easier." There is no mention of the claim on this page.
  - sodapopcan 4y ago
    I said this in a sibling comment, but according to our Jira metrics, my old team's productivity increased after both going fully remote and working one less hour each day. We didn't write anything about it, just giving you one personal anecdote where actual metrics were involved.
StevePerkins 4y ago
Your own cite is to a productivity report from a single quarter, when the WFH wave is in its 11th quarter now. This feels like Wikipedia-lawyer disingenuous citation dueling. Nothing in this thread (or wider discussion writ large) is truly data driven in any scientific sense. Everyone is arguing their subjective view here, the only question is your self-awareness about it.
- kotlin2 4y ago
  I've removed that link to the BLS data as I agree it is erroneous to try to correlate that data to any broad trends in WFH / WFO. However, the Apollo Technical link is filled with misleading summaries and questionable sources.

toomuchtodo 4y ago

Okay, so what numbers would you believe? Collectively, there are hundreds of billions of dollars in market cap and value generated by remote first tech or very remote friendly companies of various sizes. The argument can't be made these orgs would be more productive if everyone was dragged into the office on feels alone. https://builtin.com/remote-work/best-places-remote-work https://builtin.com/remote-work/best-places-remote-work

kotlin2 4y ago
I would believe any numbers that were objectively presented with sound methodology. Using a single call center study as evidence that worker productivity increases just doesn't make sense. Most work isn't anything like working in a call center. Here is another misleading claim from that link: > Working Remotely Can Increase Productivity up to 77% But they then clarify that "77% of those who work remotely at least a few times per month show increased productivity." Productivity increasing by 77% is not the same as 77% of people experiencing any productivity gain. Also, they link to a source for this claim, but the link takes you to a blog spam page titled "43 Productivity Tools That Will Make Your Life Much Easier." There is no mention of the claim on this page.
- sodapopcan 4y ago
  I said this in a sibling comment, but according to our Jira metrics, my old team's productivity increased after both going fully remote and working one less hour each day. We didn't write anything about it, just giving you one personal anecdote where actual metrics were involved.

StevePerkins 4y ago

Your own cite is to a productivity report from a single quarter, when the WFH wave is in its 11th quarter now. This feels like Wikipedia-lawyer disingenuous citation dueling. Nothing in this thread (or wider discussion writ large) is truly data driven in any scientific sense. Everyone is arguing their subjective view here, the only question is your self-awareness about it.

kotlin2 4y ago
I've removed that link to the BLS data as I agree it is erroneous to try to correlate that data to any broad trends in WFH / WFO. However, the Apollo Technical link is filled with misleading summaries and questionable sources.