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Now throw in minimum 0.5h + 0.5h commute or more realistically at least 1.5h total commuting time and suddenly you leave for work before your kids wake up and a

Now throw in minimum 0.5h + 0.5h commute or more realistically at least 1.5h total commuting time and suddenly you leave for work before your kids wake up and arrive back home 2-3h before they go to sleep. Who do you want to spend more time during the day, your coworker Bill the senior Java guy or your child Charlie, who has just learned to walk but you were not there to see their first steps? I mean, Bill's a great guy, but I didn't marry the company.

vel0city 4y ago
> Now throw in minimum 0.5h + 0.5h commute Minimum half hour commute? Definitely not a minimum. I've had a <15min commute practically my entire career. My current commute is 15 minutes by bicycle, 5 minutes by car, and my kid's daycare is on the way. Minimum commute is more like 5 minutes. Sure, maybe average commute is a good bit higher, but then say average not minimum.
- kjkjadksj 4y ago
  Thats lucky for you but you must be aware of how uncharacteristic that is. When you get a new job that commute disappears unless the new job is close to the old job or you up and move.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    It might be a bit uncharacteristic, but it still doesn't change the fact saying commutes have to be a minimum of 30 minutes isn't true. Its not entirely out of the ordinary to have a <30min commute. Most people in my office have a <15min commute, with a few having a similar commute as mine (~5min by car). My wife's commute is 12-15min. Most of my friends have a 15-20min commute. Many people have commutes much less than 30 minutes. Maybe 30 minutes is an average, I'd probably agree average commutes are close to 45 minutes, but that's an average not a minimum. Those words have two very different meanings.
    - kjkjadksj 4y ago
      This probably depends on your local traffic environment in your city. Depending on the time of day and exact routing, 7 miles in southern california can take you 45 minutes or more. If you take the bus like I do you are in for closer to an hour.
      - vel0city 4y ago
        Sure, commutes in Southern California seem to be a nightmare. But most office workers don't live in Southern California, so using that as a global minimum of commute times is probably extremely biasing it. > Now throw in minimum 0.5h + 0.5h commute or more realistically at least 1.5h total commuting time This is what I'm responding to here. ihateolives is suggesting all commutes are a minimum of 0.5h each way, with 1.5h being a realistic figure. They make no mention about Southern California, they're talking about WFO in general. Would you agree that 1.5h commutes in general are realistic, or do you think that's pretty big hyperbole? To me, 1.5h commutes are insane and are a massive outlier, and I live in one of the most sprawled out metro areas in the US.
  - xyzzyz 4y ago
    You are wrong. Look up what average commute time is in US. 40+ minute commutes are uncharacteristic, except for a small fraction of Americans who live in a handful of metros.
    - vel0city 4y ago
      > Look up what average commute time is in US. 40+ minute commutes are uncharacteristic Emphasis mine. Average is not minimum. Those are two entirely different concepts. I'm not wrong about my commute time, it's legitimately roughly 5 minutes. Since nobody is suggesting a lower commute time for WFO, I'd say that's probably a minimum. I totally agree the average is closer to 40ish minutes, but minimum is not average.
- XajniN 4y ago
  The commute is counted from the moment you exit your home door. It’s 5 minutes only if you work across the street.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    My home door is the garage door, so I'm already in my car "door to door". The distance is <3mi. Assuming an average speed of 32mph (almost 1/3 of that <3mi is at 55mph, most is 40mph, I get that average speed often according to my car's computer) that's 0.5333 miles/minute. So that's then 5.625 minutes. Sorry, I guess I was wrong, its 5 minutes and 38 seconds.
    - XajniN 4y ago
      Next time use your watch and see how much time passes between going out of your door and entering your office. And your door is not the garage door, but the one you use to enter the garage.
      - vel0city 4y ago
        I've looked at the clock before, it's been about 5 minutes. That's how I arrived at that value originally, as before needing to drop off my child at daycare I budgeted about 5 minutes to get to the office and was usually just about right. As mentioned, it's less than 3 miles on streets with 40+mph speeds. Sure, sometimes I get stopped on the by one of the two stop lights and it adds another minute and a half to my journey. And ok, instead of my garage door it's my living room door 15 feet from my car door. Why not make it my bedroom door or shower door while we're at it.

vel0city 4y ago

> Now throw in minimum 0.5h + 0.5h commute Minimum half hour commute? Definitely not a minimum. I've had a <15min commute practically my entire career. My current commute is 15 minutes by bicycle, 5 minutes by car, and my kid's daycare is on the way. Minimum commute is more like 5 minutes. Sure, maybe average commute is a good bit higher, but then say average not minimum.

kjkjadksj 4y ago
Thats lucky for you but you must be aware of how uncharacteristic that is. When you get a new job that commute disappears unless the new job is close to the old job or you up and move.
- vel0city 4y ago
  It might be a bit uncharacteristic, but it still doesn't change the fact saying commutes have to be a minimum of 30 minutes isn't true. Its not entirely out of the ordinary to have a <30min commute. Most people in my office have a <15min commute, with a few having a similar commute as mine (~5min by car). My wife's commute is 12-15min. Most of my friends have a 15-20min commute. Many people have commutes much less than 30 minutes. Maybe 30 minutes is an average, I'd probably agree average commutes are close to 45 minutes, but that's an average not a minimum. Those words have two very different meanings.
  - kjkjadksj 4y ago
    This probably depends on your local traffic environment in your city. Depending on the time of day and exact routing, 7 miles in southern california can take you 45 minutes or more. If you take the bus like I do you are in for closer to an hour.
    - vel0city 4y ago
      Sure, commutes in Southern California seem to be a nightmare. But most office workers don't live in Southern California, so using that as a global minimum of commute times is probably extremely biasing it. > Now throw in minimum 0.5h + 0.5h commute or more realistically at least 1.5h total commuting time This is what I'm responding to here. ihateolives is suggesting all commutes are a minimum of 0.5h each way, with 1.5h being a realistic figure. They make no mention about Southern California, they're talking about WFO in general. Would you agree that 1.5h commutes in general are realistic, or do you think that's pretty big hyperbole? To me, 1.5h commutes are insane and are a massive outlier, and I live in one of the most sprawled out metro areas in the US.
- xyzzyz 4y ago
  You are wrong. Look up what average commute time is in US. 40+ minute commutes are uncharacteristic, except for a small fraction of Americans who live in a handful of metros.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    > Look up what average commute time is in US. 40+ minute commutes are uncharacteristic Emphasis mine. Average is not minimum. Those are two entirely different concepts. I'm not wrong about my commute time, it's legitimately roughly 5 minutes. Since nobody is suggesting a lower commute time for WFO, I'd say that's probably a minimum. I totally agree the average is closer to 40ish minutes, but minimum is not average.
XajniN 4y ago
The commute is counted from the moment you exit your home door. It’s 5 minutes only if you work across the street.
- vel0city 4y ago
  My home door is the garage door, so I'm already in my car "door to door". The distance is <3mi. Assuming an average speed of 32mph (almost 1/3 of that <3mi is at 55mph, most is 40mph, I get that average speed often according to my car's computer) that's 0.5333 miles/minute. So that's then 5.625 minutes. Sorry, I guess I was wrong, its 5 minutes and 38 seconds.
  - XajniN 4y ago
    Next time use your watch and see how much time passes between going out of your door and entering your office. And your door is not the garage door, but the one you use to enter the garage.
    - vel0city 4y ago
      I've looked at the clock before, it's been about 5 minutes. That's how I arrived at that value originally, as before needing to drop off my child at daycare I budgeted about 5 minutes to get to the office and was usually just about right. As mentioned, it's less than 3 miles on streets with 40+mph speeds. Sure, sometimes I get stopped on the by one of the two stop lights and it adds another minute and a half to my journey. And ok, instead of my garage door it's my living room door 15 feet from my car door. Why not make it my bedroom door or shower door while we're at it.