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Because of the additional cost that the employer is imposed on by the state in Germany. I bet that the total cost per employee is pretty close.

closewith 4y ago
> Because of the additional cost that the employer is imposed on by the state in Germany. There are similar employer taxes (at somewhat lower rates, topping out at ~11% vs ~18%), but the total cost of employment in Dublin is much higher than Berlin.
- riebnik 4y ago
  Is it though? https://blog.eurodev.com/costs-of-hiring-european-employees https://blog.eurodev.com/costs-of-hiring-european-employees Also, in Germany you have a lot of holiday (20 minimum, most companies pffer 30), 3 month notice period, 3 years parental leave (per child), pricing these in, I would always expect lower salary in Germany.
  - closewith 4y ago
    With respect, minimum paid leave in Ireland is 30 days (20 days + 10 public holidays). While paid parental leave is not a legal right, all the developer jobs offer sick leave, generous parental leave, notice periods, vesting, etc. Commercial property, services, etc are far cheaper in Berlin. Hence why it's common to move start-up dev teams from Dublin to Berlin to save money. My own experience is that Berlin is significantly cheaper to employ developers in particular.
  - tchaffee 4y ago
    Neither your source nor your list come close to justifying a €30k salary difference. And your source already includes your list.
tchaffee 4y ago
You need to give the actual numbers, otherwise I don't believe it. The cost is not close when you consider US tech employees who earn almost double what EU and UK employees earn. Corporate taxes in the UK have traditionally been lower than the US and UK companies don't pay for medical insurance. It's simpler and cheaper to launch a startup in the UK compared to the US. I doubt the situation is much different between US and German or German and Irish companies. It's rare in my experience that companies can explain away salary differences by showing cost differences. Which should shock no one. Most companies seek to minimize labor costs and at best pay close to local market rates. Or even hire in foreign markets to reduce labor costs. If instead they were seeking to share profits you might see the result you're describing.

closewith 4y ago

> Because of the additional cost that the employer is imposed on by the state in Germany. There are similar employer taxes (at somewhat lower rates, topping out at ~11% vs ~18%), but the total cost of employment in Dublin is much higher than Berlin.

riebnik 4y ago
Is it though? https://blog.eurodev.com/costs-of-hiring-european-employees https://blog.eurodev.com/costs-of-hiring-european-employees Also, in Germany you have a lot of holiday (20 minimum, most companies pffer 30), 3 month notice period, 3 years parental leave (per child), pricing these in, I would always expect lower salary in Germany.
- closewith 4y ago
  With respect, minimum paid leave in Ireland is 30 days (20 days + 10 public holidays). While paid parental leave is not a legal right, all the developer jobs offer sick leave, generous parental leave, notice periods, vesting, etc. Commercial property, services, etc are far cheaper in Berlin. Hence why it's common to move start-up dev teams from Dublin to Berlin to save money. My own experience is that Berlin is significantly cheaper to employ developers in particular.
- tchaffee 4y ago
  Neither your source nor your list come close to justifying a €30k salary difference. And your source already includes your list.

tchaffee 4y ago

You need to give the actual numbers, otherwise I don't believe it. The cost is not close when you consider US tech employees who earn almost double what EU and UK employees earn. Corporate taxes in the UK have traditionally been lower than the US and UK companies don't pay for medical insurance. It's simpler and cheaper to launch a startup in the UK compared to the US. I doubt the situation is much different between US and German or German and Irish companies. It's rare in my experience that companies can explain away salary differences by showing cost differences. Which should shock no one. Most companies seek to minimize labor costs and at best pay close to local market rates. Or even hire in foreign markets to reduce labor costs. If instead they were seeking to share profits you might see the result you're describing.