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First, they'll send your work home, then, they'll send your work abroad. People are too drunk on work from home having experienced it for the first time. I ha

by fny 4y ago

First, they'll send your work home, then, they'll send your work abroad. People are too drunk on work from home having experienced it for the first time. I have done it for years. It has its pros and cons. I agree a huge reckoning is coming for white collar work writ large. (1) It can be more easily outsourced. (2) It's easier to fire someone you don't see every working day.

funfunfun2 4y ago
This is happening already. Have you seen how many people Big Tech is hiring in India while laying off folks in the Western world? Working from the office is not a solution to cheaper software talent in the developing world. In fact, I expect what happened to blue collar workers in the West is now coming for Tech employees.
lytefm 4y ago
I see this as a strong reason for: (1) becoming a domain expert who is fine at coding rather than a coding wizard who doesn't know much about the business/ domain. (2) working at a small company with little process/ few middle managers rather than at a larger corps with many departments and clear role separation between feature requirements and engineering. Don't want to jinx it, but even if my employer were to move some engineering to eastern Europe, odds are pretty low that I'd be affected. I might code less and spend more time Jira more, though.
commandlinefan 4y ago
> then, they'll send your work abroad They've been trying for at least 25 years now. If they can, they will - and whether I'm sitting in an office or at home when it happens, it won't factor into their decision.
Longlius 4y ago
Spare me the concern trolling. If your job can be outsourced, it will be outsourced. People were happily working in offices in the 90s and it didn't do much to keep their jobs from being outsourced. I don't see any correlation between WFH and outsourcing.
- fny 4y ago
  There are institutions which never in a million years dreamt of work from home being viable. You're right, software has dealt with this for years... But what about other industries historically averse to work from home like finance and healthcare? Also English speaking abroad has far improved since the 90s.
bart_spoon 4y ago
As if it hasn’t been the norm for companies to outsource white collar jobs and fire people at the drop of the hat for decades now. I don’t see WFH as enabling anything that wasn’t already enabled from that perspective.
davidgerard 4y ago
> First, they'll send your work home, then, they'll send your work abroad. They've been trying to do this as hard as possible for years now. If they could, they would have.

by fny 4y ago

funfunfun2 4y ago

This is happening already. Have you seen how many people Big Tech is hiring in India while laying off folks in the Western world? Working from the office is not a solution to cheaper software talent in the developing world. In fact, I expect what happened to blue collar workers in the West is now coming for Tech employees.

lytefm 4y ago

I see this as a strong reason for: (1) becoming a domain expert who is fine at coding rather than a coding wizard who doesn't know much about the business/ domain. (2) working at a small company with little process/ few middle managers rather than at a larger corps with many departments and clear role separation between feature requirements and engineering. Don't want to jinx it, but even if my employer were to move some engineering to eastern Europe, odds are pretty low that I'd be affected. I might code less and spend more time Jira more, though.

commandlinefan 4y ago

> then, they'll send your work abroad They've been trying for at least 25 years now. If they can, they will - and whether I'm sitting in an office or at home when it happens, it won't factor into their decision.

Longlius 4y ago

Spare me the concern trolling. If your job can be outsourced, it will be outsourced. People were happily working in offices in the 90s and it didn't do much to keep their jobs from being outsourced. I don't see any correlation between WFH and outsourcing.

fny 4y ago
There are institutions which never in a million years dreamt of work from home being viable. You're right, software has dealt with this for years... But what about other industries historically averse to work from home like finance and healthcare? Also English speaking abroad has far improved since the 90s.

bart_spoon 4y ago

As if it hasn’t been the norm for companies to outsource white collar jobs and fire people at the drop of the hat for decades now. I don’t see WFH as enabling anything that wasn’t already enabled from that perspective.

davidgerard 4y ago

> First, they'll send your work home, then, they'll send your work abroad. They've been trying to do this as hard as possible for years now. If they could, they would have.