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I hope pricing will be one time charge, not monthly subscription. Please.

ignoramous 4y ago
Thanks for sharing our app on HN! (: The app is going to be free to use. Per our current plan, we don't intend to charge for it at all, ever.
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  You're welcome. It was my pleasure to share it. I was using IodéOS that has similar blocker built-in - but it is not open source so I was looking for no root alternative to control specific app/domain connections and this blows my mind. FOSS, pleasant UI, many very useful features for prevent leaks and so on... Btw what is different between blocking individual domains (soon in DNS) and blocking connection in firewall for specific domain?
  - ignoramous 4y ago
    A dns name may be mapped to multiple IPs (case 1). Same IP could be mapped to multiple dns names (case 2). So, if you're blocking an IP, you might end up blocking multiple domains (case 2) or end up not even effectively blocking a single domain (case 1). This confuses users, and you get reports like: 1. I blocked a Google IP but my app still connects to google.com (case 1, since Google owns a gazillion IPs). 2. I blocked a cloudflare.com IP and now can't access reactjs.org (case 2, where IPs are shared). Some folks find it easier to reason about rules on domain names than IPs. So, blocking/allowing domain names makes for a better user experience, when implemented right.
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      Thanks!
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
  > The app is going to be free to use. Per our current plan, we don't intend to charge for it at all, ever. How do you plan to keep the lights on, then?
  - dizhn 4y ago
    They seem to be beta testing a paid dns service. "On-device firewall is free. The in-the-cloud Rethink DNS content-blocking resolver has both free (public beta) and paid tiers (private beta). Currently, pricing isn't implemented and so the private beta is essentially also free till then."
  - ignoramous 4y ago
    Like another user pointed out, we intend to charge for a cloud-based dns service. We intend to add other anti-censorship / anti-surveillance features too that may incur charges; like reselling a Private Relay like proxy, a remote browser, a disposable chat room, calls, and so on. Of course, a lot depends on if we manage to stay upfloat. We are a small team after all: Just the 2 of us, with zero funds ;)
- dizhn 4y ago
  "On-device firewall is free. The in-the-cloud Rethink DNS content-blocking resolver has both free (public beta) and paid tiers (private beta). Currently, pricing isn't implemented and so the private beta is essentially also free till then." Is this referring to a nextdns like service?
  - ignoramous 4y ago
    Yes, like NextDNS / ControlD / AdGuard etc. Just a way to generate funds for the development of the app, so it will likely be way cheaper (think 5x) than existing providers. But we exist as an anti-censorship and anti-surveillance solution, so expect us to build more than just a content-blocking DNS.

Thanks for sharing our app on HN! (: The app is going to be free to use. Per our current plan, we don't intend to charge for it at all, ever.

t0bia_s 4y ago
You're welcome. It was my pleasure to share it. I was using IodéOS that has similar blocker built-in - but it is not open source so I was looking for no root alternative to control specific app/domain connections and this blows my mind. FOSS, pleasant UI, many very useful features for prevent leaks and so on... Btw what is different between blocking individual domains (soon in DNS) and blocking connection in firewall for specific domain?
- ignoramous 4y ago
  A dns name may be mapped to multiple IPs (case 1). Same IP could be mapped to multiple dns names (case 2). So, if you're blocking an IP, you might end up blocking multiple domains (case 2) or end up not even effectively blocking a single domain (case 1). This confuses users, and you get reports like: 1. I blocked a Google IP but my app still connects to google.com (case 1, since Google owns a gazillion IPs). 2. I blocked a cloudflare.com IP and now can't access reactjs.org (case 2, where IPs are shared). Some folks find it easier to reason about rules on domain names than IPs. So, blocking/allowing domain names makes for a better user experience, when implemented right.
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    Thanks!
ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
> The app is going to be free to use. Per our current plan, we don't intend to charge for it at all, ever. How do you plan to keep the lights on, then?
- dizhn 4y ago
  They seem to be beta testing a paid dns service. "On-device firewall is free. The in-the-cloud Rethink DNS content-blocking resolver has both free (public beta) and paid tiers (private beta). Currently, pricing isn't implemented and so the private beta is essentially also free till then."
- ignoramous 4y ago
  Like another user pointed out, we intend to charge for a cloud-based dns service. We intend to add other anti-censorship / anti-surveillance features too that may incur charges; like reselling a Private Relay like proxy, a remote browser, a disposable chat room, calls, and so on. Of course, a lot depends on if we manage to stay upfloat. We are a small team after all: Just the 2 of us, with zero funds ;)
dizhn 4y ago
"On-device firewall is free. The in-the-cloud Rethink DNS content-blocking resolver has both free (public beta) and paid tiers (private beta). Currently, pricing isn't implemented and so the private beta is essentially also free till then." Is this referring to a nextdns like service?
- ignoramous 4y ago
  Yes, like NextDNS / ControlD / AdGuard etc. Just a way to generate funds for the development of the app, so it will likely be way cheaper (think 5x) than existing providers. But we exist as an anti-censorship and anti-surveillance solution, so expect us to build more than just a content-blocking DNS.