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Myocarditis is caused by the spike protein present both in covid19 and the vaccine. 1. Myocarditis rate is much higher post infection than post vaccination by

Myocarditis is caused by the spike protein present both in covid19 and the vaccine. 1. Myocarditis rate is much higher post infection than post vaccination by about 2X 2. Myocarditis rate post vaccination is 0.02 % . Covid FATALITY rate is 0.3%. Yet we are expected to have "debates" about it https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-... Also, why the hell do we think scientific research needs a so called "debate". Are we trying to become school valedictorians? What is needed is peer review, not debate. Debate is simply a euphemism for validation seeking for confirmation bias on random social forums. If there was any problem with the peer review, there is cause for complaints. Are we going to hold a debate on whether the proof of fermat's last theorem is actually correct now?

bigDinosaur 4y ago
From your own link: > Among men under 40, there were an estimated four extra cases of myocarditis associated with the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine and 14 extra cases with the first dose of the Moderna vaccine for every 1 million men vaccinated. That risk rose with the second dose for all three vaccines studied and was highest for Moderna's, which had an additional 97 myocarditis cases per 1 million. For unvaccinated men under 40 with COVID-19, there were 16 additional myocarditis cases per million. which shows that the Moderna second dose is riskier than infection for men under 40? I have to admit I've been really disappointed by the way people have been minimising this. Part of that is being in that group of men < 40 myself (it has always been stratified by age and sex), another part of it is I think we need to be as transparent as possible about all risks in medicine as opposed to giving fuel (and good arguments) that information is being suppressed or charitably ignored because people are panicking.
- random314 4y ago
  - ostenning 4y ago
    I had pericarditis (which i initially thought was myocarditis until I had an MRI) shortly after vaccination. People on this forum literally urged me to go get a booster despite my experience. The overzealous opinions go both ways. How about people just do whats right for them and stop conforming to groupthink
  - mns 4y ago
    Your comment shows just why people don't trust anything any more. Anything that you don't agree with is an enemy by the tone of your message, and dismissing any other opinion except the one that you hold by labelling it as "so called debates". Covid fatality is also age stratified. Besides, you might get it, you might not get it. The vaccines were mandated and people were made to get them to keep their jobs or to live their lives. People have different risk tolerance so it's normal that everyone out there has a different opinion.
- c-cube 4y ago
  Myocarditis is not the only risk when you get covid. You can't conclude that the vaccine is more dangerous than getting covid just based on this one effect; covid has many other dangerous effects on some people, such as destroying your lungs.
orbifold 4y ago
The chance of healthy young males dying from Covid is close to zero and not 0.3%. I recently had Covid, less than 6 months after the booster and I don’t think it could have been worse than it was. The third shot measurably impacted my fitness metrics, according do my Apple Watch (sharp decline in VO2max, which took months to recover and even pre Covid it was 3 points off)
- random314 4y ago
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ekianjo 4y ago
> 1. Myocarditis rate is much higher post infection than post vaccination by about 2X Based on which data since reporting of adverse events after vaccination is constantly suppressed by medical professionals? (and reporting of adverse events is anyway very low in the first place) > 2. Myocarditis rate post vaccination is 0.02 % . Covid FATALITY rate is 0.3%. Yet we are expected to have "debates" about it Please explain the excess deaths around the globe right now then, if you believe in such numbers.

bigDinosaur 4y ago

From your own link: > Among men under 40, there were an estimated four extra cases of myocarditis associated with the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine and 14 extra cases with the first dose of the Moderna vaccine for every 1 million men vaccinated. That risk rose with the second dose for all three vaccines studied and was highest for Moderna's, which had an additional 97 myocarditis cases per 1 million. For unvaccinated men under 40 with COVID-19, there were 16 additional myocarditis cases per million. which shows that the Moderna second dose is riskier than infection for men under 40? I have to admit I've been really disappointed by the way people have been minimising this. Part of that is being in that group of men < 40 myself (it has always been stratified by age and sex), another part of it is I think we need to be as transparent as possible about all risks in medicine as opposed to giving fuel (and good arguments) that information is being suppressed or charitably ignored because people are panicking.

random314 4y ago
- ostenning 4y ago
  I had pericarditis (which i initially thought was myocarditis until I had an MRI) shortly after vaccination. People on this forum literally urged me to go get a booster despite my experience. The overzealous opinions go both ways. How about people just do whats right for them and stop conforming to groupthink
- mns 4y ago
  Your comment shows just why people don't trust anything any more. Anything that you don't agree with is an enemy by the tone of your message, and dismissing any other opinion except the one that you hold by labelling it as "so called debates". Covid fatality is also age stratified. Besides, you might get it, you might not get it. The vaccines were mandated and people were made to get them to keep their jobs or to live their lives. People have different risk tolerance so it's normal that everyone out there has a different opinion.
c-cube 4y ago
Myocarditis is not the only risk when you get covid. You can't conclude that the vaccine is more dangerous than getting covid just based on this one effect; covid has many other dangerous effects on some people, such as destroying your lungs.

orbifold 4y ago

The chance of healthy young males dying from Covid is close to zero and not 0.3%. I recently had Covid, less than 6 months after the booster and I don’t think it could have been worse than it was. The third shot measurably impacted my fitness metrics, according do my Apple Watch (sharp decline in VO2max, which took months to recover and even pre Covid it was 3 points off)

random314 4y ago
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ekianjo 4y ago

> 1. Myocarditis rate is much higher post infection than post vaccination by about 2X Based on which data since reporting of adverse events after vaccination is constantly suppressed by medical professionals? (and reporting of adverse events is anyway very low in the first place) > 2. Myocarditis rate post vaccination is 0.02 % . Covid FATALITY rate is 0.3%. Yet we are expected to have "debates" about it Please explain the excess deaths around the globe right now then, if you believe in such numbers.