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I’m not making excuses for Tesla’s many misgivings, but they did honor the pre-order price for my model Y, even though new orders were more than 10% higher.

by meling 4y ago

snek_case 4y ago
They also own 2/3 of the US EV market (with all remaining automakers combined making the remaining third), but people love to shit on them all the time. Tesla is driving the EV revolution while the rest of the auto industry drags its feet.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  It’s hard to say the rest of the auto industry is dragging its feet when several of them make objectively superior EVs. They’re putting in the effort.
  - Petersipoi 4y ago
    > objectively I do not think that word means what you think it means. Besides, you definitely can't claim it's "objectively" better unless you're really cherry picking the stats/features you're comparing.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      Just on features alone. What can I get on a Tesla that I cannot get somewhere else? Anything? What can I get on a non-Tesla that I cannot get on a Tesla? Rain sensing wipers. CarPlay. HUD. Dashboard screen (in front of the driver). Physical buttons for things that matter. 360 camera. Blindspot and cross traffic warning. Can a Model 3 hit 350kW DC charging yet? What if I want a pickup? I can buy a Rivian. I can buy a Ford. I will be able to buy a Chevy before the Cybertruck is available. What if I want an SUV but don't want to pay Model X prices? Tesla is sitting back on their early success, riding a wave of popularity. Good for them. But real competition arrived in the last couple years, and it looks really good. I enjoyed my Model 3 and when I bought it there was no competition, but I'm in the market again and I cannot find a compelling reason to choose a Tesla again. Even if there were feature parity, Tesla's consumer-hostile behavior has me worried about committing to another relationship with them.
  - ericd 4y ago
    What models are you referring to? Having driven a loaded Taycan, which I think is probably most often cited as being superior, I’d take even a basic Tesla over it any day. AFAICT, none of the competitors have the full system UX dialed in like Tesla.
    - socialismisok 4y ago
      BMW ix, Ford Mach e, Ford lightning, Mercedes EQS, Hyundai Kona, VW id4, Rivian r1t. Both established brands and new players are coming after the market hard. It's not hard to imagine that Tesla will have serious competition basically now.
      - aaronbrethorst 4y ago
        I'm quite happy with my Kia Niro EV. A big part of the reason I chose it was that it's not a Muskmobile.
      - AYBABTME 4y ago
        Many make decent cars, even good cars (Hyundai) but they don't make better EVs than Tesla. Hyundai might be there in terms of value IFF the non-Tesla charging network wasn't so abysmal. I drove multiple manufacturers and currently own a Tesla and a Hyundai EV.
- socialismisok 4y ago
  I owned one for like 8-9 years. I love to shit on the cars because they were awful to own. I eventually sold it when Tesla just stopped responding to safety recall notices or repairs, to say nothing of the "weird, the thing is stuck on a reboot loop" or "FSD IS HERE!" (FSD not available)
socialismisok 4y ago
In general I found the experience of buying a Tesla extremely pleasant, and the first couple years of ownership quite nice. The longer I owned the car, the worse it got.

I’m not making excuses for Tesla’s many misgivings, but they did honor the pre-order price for my model Y, even though new orders were more than 10% higher.

by meling 4y ago

I’m not making excuses for Tesla’s many misgivings, but they did honor the pre-order price for my model Y, even though new orders were more than 10% higher.

snek_case 4y ago

They also own 2/3 of the US EV market (with all remaining automakers combined making the remaining third), but people love to shit on them all the time. Tesla is driving the EV revolution while the rest of the auto industry drags its feet.

rootusrootus 4y ago
It’s hard to say the rest of the auto industry is dragging its feet when several of them make objectively superior EVs. They’re putting in the effort.
- Petersipoi 4y ago
  > objectively I do not think that word means what you think it means. Besides, you definitely can't claim it's "objectively" better unless you're really cherry picking the stats/features you're comparing.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    Just on features alone. What can I get on a Tesla that I cannot get somewhere else? Anything? What can I get on a non-Tesla that I cannot get on a Tesla? Rain sensing wipers. CarPlay. HUD. Dashboard screen (in front of the driver). Physical buttons for things that matter. 360 camera. Blindspot and cross traffic warning. Can a Model 3 hit 350kW DC charging yet? What if I want a pickup? I can buy a Rivian. I can buy a Ford. I will be able to buy a Chevy before the Cybertruck is available. What if I want an SUV but don't want to pay Model X prices? Tesla is sitting back on their early success, riding a wave of popularity. Good for them. But real competition arrived in the last couple years, and it looks really good. I enjoyed my Model 3 and when I bought it there was no competition, but I'm in the market again and I cannot find a compelling reason to choose a Tesla again. Even if there were feature parity, Tesla's consumer-hostile behavior has me worried about committing to another relationship with them.
- ericd 4y ago
  What models are you referring to? Having driven a loaded Taycan, which I think is probably most often cited as being superior, I’d take even a basic Tesla over it any day. AFAICT, none of the competitors have the full system UX dialed in like Tesla.
  - socialismisok 4y ago
    BMW ix, Ford Mach e, Ford lightning, Mercedes EQS, Hyundai Kona, VW id4, Rivian r1t. Both established brands and new players are coming after the market hard. It's not hard to imagine that Tesla will have serious competition basically now.
    - aaronbrethorst 4y ago
      I'm quite happy with my Kia Niro EV. A big part of the reason I chose it was that it's not a Muskmobile.
    - AYBABTME 4y ago
      Many make decent cars, even good cars (Hyundai) but they don't make better EVs than Tesla. Hyundai might be there in terms of value IFF the non-Tesla charging network wasn't so abysmal. I drove multiple manufacturers and currently own a Tesla and a Hyundai EV.
socialismisok 4y ago
I owned one for like 8-9 years. I love to shit on the cars because they were awful to own. I eventually sold it when Tesla just stopped responding to safety recall notices or repairs, to say nothing of the "weird, the thing is stuck on a reboot loop" or "FSD IS HERE!" (FSD not available)

socialismisok 4y ago

In general I found the experience of buying a Tesla extremely pleasant, and the first couple years of ownership quite nice. The longer I owned the car, the worse it got.