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Having been a Tesla owner for a decade, give or take, I think the motto for Musk's companies may as well be "over promise and under deliver"

HyperSane 4y ago
- socialismisok 4y ago
  Absolutely. I mean, your post is glib to the point of reductiveness, but Musk has habitually lied about Tesla, SpaceX, The Boring Company, the Hyperloop, Neural Link and just about every venture he's been in. It's not hard to find a half dozen lies about each of those companies, to say nothing of his social media presence. I'd happily float an innovator an occasional overreach. But it's dozens and dozens of times now and people still buy it.
  - HyperSane 4y ago
    "your post is glib to the point of reductiveness" How so? He lies constantly about many things. He is essentially a con artist at this point.
- georgeg23 4y ago
  It's because his companies are fundamentally built on a lie that started in 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career
meling 4y ago
I’m not making excuses for Tesla’s many misgivings, but they did honor the pre-order price for my model Y, even though new orders were more than 10% higher.
- snek_case 4y ago
  They also own 2/3 of the US EV market (with all remaining automakers combined making the remaining third), but people love to shit on them all the time. Tesla is driving the EV revolution while the rest of the auto industry drags its feet.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    It’s hard to say the rest of the auto industry is dragging its feet when several of them make objectively superior EVs. They’re putting in the effort.
    - Petersipoi 4y ago
      > objectively I do not think that word means what you think it means. Besides, you definitely can't claim it's "objectively" better unless you're really cherry picking the stats/features you're comparing.
      - rootusrootus 4y ago
        Just on features alone. What can I get on a Tesla that I cannot get somewhere else? Anything? What can I get on a non-Tesla that I cannot get on a Tesla? Rain sensing wipers. CarPlay. HUD. Dashboard screen (in front of the driver). Physical buttons for things that matter. 360 camera. Blindspot and cross traffic warning. Can a Model 3 hit 350kW DC charging yet? What if I want a pickup? I can buy a Rivian. I can buy a Ford. I will be able to buy a Chevy before the Cybertruck is available. What if I want an SUV but don't want to pay Model X prices? Tesla is sitting back on their early success, riding a wave of popularity. Good for them. But real competition arrived in the last couple years, and it looks really good. I enjoyed my Model 3 and when I bought it there was no competition, but I'm in the market again and I cannot find a compelling reason to choose a Tesla again. Even if there were feature parity, Tesla's consumer-hostile behavior has me worried about committing to another relationship with them.
    - ericd 4y ago
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adrr 4y ago
You bought the FSD feature as well? Still haven't been invited to beta but my bigger problem is the backup camera doesn't work due to a frayed cable and the cable has been back ordered for 11 months now. Musk never prioritizes his current customers. Need those cables for new cars.
- hda2 4y ago
  > the backup camera doesn't work due to a frayed cable and the cable has been back ordered for 11 months now. I would have assumed that this issue would be quickly addressed by aftermarket suppliers just like it would with any other car manufacturer. Are Tesla like Apple? (i.e abuse laws and technology to lock customers in) Do they go after third party suppliers/parts?
  - adrr 4y ago
    I haven't tried. It's a recall and don't really want to pay for their defect. It will be interesting to see if I can get my tabs next year because california requires recalls to be fixed in a certain amount of time.
- ericd 4y ago
  I don’t know how you back up without one, the rear windows are so tiny, and at least on the Y, high off the ground. Rear visibility is awful.
aeternum 4y ago
As Musk likes to put it, his companies specialize in 'converting things from impossible to late'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7xksVPFzQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7xksVPFzQ

HyperSane 4y ago

socialismisok 4y ago
Absolutely. I mean, your post is glib to the point of reductiveness, but Musk has habitually lied about Tesla, SpaceX, The Boring Company, the Hyperloop, Neural Link and just about every venture he's been in. It's not hard to find a half dozen lies about each of those companies, to say nothing of his social media presence. I'd happily float an innovator an occasional overreach. But it's dozens and dozens of times now and people still buy it.
- HyperSane 4y ago
  "your post is glib to the point of reductiveness" How so? He lies constantly about many things. He is essentially a con artist at this point.
georgeg23 4y ago
It's because his companies are fundamentally built on a lie that started in 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career

meling 4y ago

I’m not making excuses for Tesla’s many misgivings, but they did honor the pre-order price for my model Y, even though new orders were more than 10% higher.

snek_case 4y ago
They also own 2/3 of the US EV market (with all remaining automakers combined making the remaining third), but people love to shit on them all the time. Tesla is driving the EV revolution while the rest of the auto industry drags its feet.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  It’s hard to say the rest of the auto industry is dragging its feet when several of them make objectively superior EVs. They’re putting in the effort.
  - Petersipoi 4y ago
    > objectively I do not think that word means what you think it means. Besides, you definitely can't claim it's "objectively" better unless you're really cherry picking the stats/features you're comparing.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      Just on features alone. What can I get on a Tesla that I cannot get somewhere else? Anything? What can I get on a non-Tesla that I cannot get on a Tesla? Rain sensing wipers. CarPlay. HUD. Dashboard screen (in front of the driver). Physical buttons for things that matter. 360 camera. Blindspot and cross traffic warning. Can a Model 3 hit 350kW DC charging yet? What if I want a pickup? I can buy a Rivian. I can buy a Ford. I will be able to buy a Chevy before the Cybertruck is available. What if I want an SUV but don't want to pay Model X prices? Tesla is sitting back on their early success, riding a wave of popularity. Good for them. But real competition arrived in the last couple years, and it looks really good. I enjoyed my Model 3 and when I bought it there was no competition, but I'm in the market again and I cannot find a compelling reason to choose a Tesla again. Even if there were feature parity, Tesla's consumer-hostile behavior has me worried about committing to another relationship with them.
  - ericd 4y ago

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adrr 4y ago

You bought the FSD feature as well? Still haven't been invited to beta but my bigger problem is the backup camera doesn't work due to a frayed cable and the cable has been back ordered for 11 months now. Musk never prioritizes his current customers. Need those cables for new cars.

hda2 4y ago
> the backup camera doesn't work due to a frayed cable and the cable has been back ordered for 11 months now. I would have assumed that this issue would be quickly addressed by aftermarket suppliers just like it would with any other car manufacturer. Are Tesla like Apple? (i.e abuse laws and technology to lock customers in) Do they go after third party suppliers/parts?
- adrr 4y ago
  I haven't tried. It's a recall and don't really want to pay for their defect. It will be interesting to see if I can get my tabs next year because california requires recalls to be fixed in a certain amount of time.
ericd 4y ago
I don’t know how you back up without one, the rear windows are so tiny, and at least on the Y, high off the ground. Rear visibility is awful.

aeternum 4y ago

As Musk likes to put it, his companies specialize in 'converting things from impossible to late'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7xksVPFzQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7xksVPFzQ