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I fear we may have rushed things for younger age groups. There was little space for debate. It was an uncomfortable time, but I get the sense intellectual debat

by hovden 4y ago

I fear we may have rushed things for younger age groups. There was little space for debate. It was an uncomfortable time, but I get the sense intellectual debate is returning.

zug_zug 4y ago
I think we rushed in the sense that this was a very accelerated vaccine program, but whether the rush was optimal (on a per age-group basis) will depend on what the data comes to show. It's true that most people didn't really want to debate covid then, which is par-for-the-course on political issues. I think though in our post-mortem for covid the my curiosity why we got so left/right political over an illness. I'd love to have that behind us.
chitowneats 4y ago
There was so little space for debate that the Biden administration attempted to force employers to mandate either the vaccine, or routine testing at the employee's expense, for most working American adults. If this move hadn't been struck down by the Supreme Court, you can bet some version of this restriction would still be in place and would be defended by many. https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072165393/supreme-court-blocks-bidens-vaccine-or-test-mandate-for-large-private-companies https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072165393/supreme-court-bloc...
random314 4y ago
Why the hell do we think scientific research needs a so called "debate". Are we trying to become school valedictorians? What is needed is peer review, not debate. Debate is simply a euphemism for validation seeking for confirmation bias on random social forums. If there was any problem with the peer review, there is cause for complaints. Are we going to hold a debate on whether the proof of fermat's last theorem is actually correct now?
- postsantum 4y ago
  Nah, it's not the job of science to tell people what to do. We are not going to debate the correctedness of a theorem, but we need debates to justify lockdowns because of the theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem
  - random314 4y ago
    This is a discussion of vaccines, not lockdowns. The numbers are pretty damn clear.
    - postsantum 4y ago
      They advertised the clear number of zero when it comes to transmission rate between vaccinated people. Turned out, it was all lies
    - chitowneats 4y ago
      There's quite a difference between what the numbers actually say vs. what claims were made by public health bureaucrats to justify both vaccine mandates and other NPI-style restrictions.
    - tinus_hn 4y ago
      Except when you consider the adverse effects, then we couldn’t have known that!

by hovden 4y ago

I fear we may have rushed things for younger age groups. There was little space for debate. It was an uncomfortable time, but I get the sense intellectual debate is returning.

zug_zug 4y ago

I think we rushed in the sense that this was a very accelerated vaccine program, but whether the rush was optimal (on a per age-group basis) will depend on what the data comes to show. It's true that most people didn't really want to debate covid then, which is par-for-the-course on political issues. I think though in our post-mortem for covid the my curiosity why we got so left/right political over an illness. I'd love to have that behind us.

chitowneats 4y ago

There was so little space for debate that the Biden administration attempted to force employers to mandate either the vaccine, or routine testing at the employee's expense, for most working American adults. If this move hadn't been struck down by the Supreme Court, you can bet some version of this restriction would still be in place and would be defended by many. https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072165393/supreme-court-blocks-bidens-vaccine-or-test-mandate-for-large-private-companies https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072165393/supreme-court-bloc...

random314 4y ago

Why the hell do we think scientific research needs a so called "debate". Are we trying to become school valedictorians? What is needed is peer review, not debate. Debate is simply a euphemism for validation seeking for confirmation bias on random social forums. If there was any problem with the peer review, there is cause for complaints. Are we going to hold a debate on whether the proof of fermat's last theorem is actually correct now?

postsantum 4y ago
Nah, it's not the job of science to tell people what to do. We are not going to debate the correctedness of a theorem, but we need debates to justify lockdowns because of the theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem
- random314 4y ago
  This is a discussion of vaccines, not lockdowns. The numbers are pretty damn clear.
  - postsantum 4y ago
    They advertised the clear number of zero when it comes to transmission rate between vaccinated people. Turned out, it was all lies
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    There's quite a difference between what the numbers actually say vs. what claims were made by public health bureaucrats to justify both vaccine mandates and other NPI-style restrictions.
  - tinus_hn 4y ago
    Except when you consider the adverse effects, then we couldn’t have known that!