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The problem with Teams is it has a ton of badly implemented functionality destroying what it does well on a straightforward basis - simple chat. For that use ca

The problem with Teams is it has a ton of badly implemented functionality destroying what it does well on a straightforward basis - simple chat. For that use case, it is as good as anything else out there and I don’t know why people complain. If you start using things like actual “Teams” it starts getting troublesome. We use it like a Facebook wall. Individual vertical heads will post information or call to action from time to time but it is largely static while we chat with each other all day outside it. This is bad but what pisses off tech illiterate people even more is they have an entire share point built for the fucking software. Most tech illiterate people cannot understand how to use it and keep switching between that and chat and losing their work. If you need to use a file heavily while chatting, you need to open it on the desktop version or the entire experience will suck donkey nuts. If you need to constantly use that particular share point file system for daily tasks, then you’re an idiot if you can’t figure out or ask IT for the easier solution of just syncing it to your file explorer and never touching the Teams app. The app sucks major balls but a lot of it is because it caters to a non tech savvy crowd and they’re constantly trying to walk a fine line between being functional graphically and also allowing power users to just get super access and get on with their day.

vladvasiliu 4y ago
> For [the chat] use case, it is as good as anything else out there and I don’t know why people complain. What kind of computer are you running this on? In my case, I have a Zen 3 laptop and Teams can't keep up with my typing. It's the only app where this happens. And I only type with basically 2.5 fingers per hand, I'm not some kind of typing Olympics title-holder. It also somehow manages to be the only program where I often type my letters out of order. If god forbid I want to scroll back up in the chat to see what was said a few days ago, it's an absolutely horrible experience. The chat jumps all over the place, loading messages is laggy, and occasionally, it downright doesn't work (the bubbles stay blank). I need to go to a different chat, come back, and try to go back up the history again. Don't even get me started on search, which, if it works, won't give you any context. I think the reason people complain is that we're in 2022, running ridiculously powerful computers, and this crap still manages to be an all-round inferior experience than MS's own MSN messenger 20 years ago. Yeah, I know it's "more than a chat app", but as you put it, it does it terribly. So if the chat part sucks, the "more than chat part" sucks, what's left to not complain about?
- hnews_account_1 4y ago
  I am running this on a fairly powerful machine, yes. I forgot to mention that part. It’s a laptop with i7 10th gen and 32 GB of RAM. And you’re absolutely right in how much Teams hogs memory because my org basically expanded their IT budget by many multiples during the pandemic and upgraded folks from 8 to 16 GB laptops / desktops before they realized that Teams and another software we generally run all day cannot manage with 16 gigs. Maybe all these troubles go away with more memory but just to be clear, I face almost none of the issues you’re talking about except for the truly crappy search which has only marginally improved this year but is still very, very bad.
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    In my case, it's either a Zen3 laptop with 32 GB or an older Xeon desktop with 64 GB. In both cases, it's larger than most regular office workers usually have, so I don't think Teams should expect this kind of machine.
    - hnews_account_1 4y ago
      I agree on that front. I’m also a power user of most software so I keep a mental note of nifty tricks that normal people cannot be expected to maintain. Even the IT folks didn’t know Teams had inbuilt functionality to mount individual sharepoints separately in file explorer (which just plugs into OneDrive for sync functionality) and they were trying to connect to it using some crazy network tricks until one of them saw how I mounted it and told me to show him how to do it. This is far and above what a normal user is expected to have discovered, but I just needed to point out that complaining on it on this forum is a bit hypocritical considering the vast majority of us are certainly top 0.1% on the tech literacy spectrum and most likely have access to very powerful systems that the typical user does not.

vladvasiliu 4y ago

> For [the chat] use case, it is as good as anything else out there and I don’t know why people complain. What kind of computer are you running this on? In my case, I have a Zen 3 laptop and Teams can't keep up with my typing. It's the only app where this happens. And I only type with basically 2.5 fingers per hand, I'm not some kind of typing Olympics title-holder. It also somehow manages to be the only program where I often type my letters out of order. If god forbid I want to scroll back up in the chat to see what was said a few days ago, it's an absolutely horrible experience. The chat jumps all over the place, loading messages is laggy, and occasionally, it downright doesn't work (the bubbles stay blank). I need to go to a different chat, come back, and try to go back up the history again. Don't even get me started on search, which, if it works, won't give you any context. I think the reason people complain is that we're in 2022, running ridiculously powerful computers, and this crap still manages to be an all-round inferior experience than MS's own MSN messenger 20 years ago. Yeah, I know it's "more than a chat app", but as you put it, it does it terribly. So if the chat part sucks, the "more than chat part" sucks, what's left to not complain about?

hnews_account_1 4y ago
I am running this on a fairly powerful machine, yes. I forgot to mention that part. It’s a laptop with i7 10th gen and 32 GB of RAM. And you’re absolutely right in how much Teams hogs memory because my org basically expanded their IT budget by many multiples during the pandemic and upgraded folks from 8 to 16 GB laptops / desktops before they realized that Teams and another software we generally run all day cannot manage with 16 gigs. Maybe all these troubles go away with more memory but just to be clear, I face almost none of the issues you’re talking about except for the truly crappy search which has only marginally improved this year but is still very, very bad.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  In my case, it's either a Zen3 laptop with 32 GB or an older Xeon desktop with 64 GB. In both cases, it's larger than most regular office workers usually have, so I don't think Teams should expect this kind of machine.
  - hnews_account_1 4y ago
    I agree on that front. I’m also a power user of most software so I keep a mental note of nifty tricks that normal people cannot be expected to maintain. Even the IT folks didn’t know Teams had inbuilt functionality to mount individual sharepoints separately in file explorer (which just plugs into OneDrive for sync functionality) and they were trying to connect to it using some crazy network tricks until one of them saw how I mounted it and told me to show him how to do it. This is far and above what a normal user is expected to have discovered, but I just needed to point out that complaining on it on this forum is a bit hypocritical considering the vast majority of us are certainly top 0.1% on the tech literacy spectrum and most likely have access to very powerful systems that the typical user does not.