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> most people reading Apple's comparison will think that it is 5 times faster than fastest Android tablet and this is exactly what they're aiming for That is s

> most people reading Apple's comparison will think that it is 5 times faster than fastest Android tablet and this is exactly what they're aiming for That is such a wild conclusion. Apple clearly says "best-selling" right in the claim. They didn't hide it in a footnote. I believe that "best-selling" is not a difficult concept to understand for most people, and I struggle to think of a better way for Apple to have worded things there. If BMW compared one of their new vehicles to the best-selling car in America, who is going think BMW is intending for the reader to compare against a Bugatti Chiron? That is not what anyone would conclude, and it's the same here.. no one should immediately conclude that Apple is comparing to the fastest Android tablet when they clearly say "best-selling". Since you apparently believe most people can't read (or at least, can't understand the words "best-selling"), there's probably nothing Apple could have written that would have worked for you here. The comparison against the class of android tablet that the reader is most likely to have is an extremely valid one.

ksec 4y ago
> If BMW compared one of their new vehicles to the best-selling car in America, who is going think BMW is intending for the reader to compare against a Bugatti Chiron? That is not what anyone would conclude, and it's the same here. You just said it right here. If BMW is Apple, and the Best Selling Car is the Tata or a Chinese Brand ( because that is where they made the volume ), which reader would have made that conclusion? It is a misleading comparison. And it doesn't look good on Apple.
- coder543 4y ago
  You’re setting up a strawman which is easy for you to knock over. I specifically said “best-selling car in America”, which would not be from a Chinese brand. It appears to be the Toyota Camry, but whatever it is, it is certainly going to be similar to other well-selling, similarly-priced vehicles the average US reader would be familiar with, whether that is a Honda Civic or Subaru Impreza or whatever. Without seeing Apple’s market research data, which you also haven’t seen, they likely concluded that the best selling Android tablet in America is a cheap tablet sold at Walmart or Amazon. Do you really think the new iPad isn’t up to 5x faster than the best-selling Fire tablet on Amazon? As someone else pointed out, the Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite uses the exact chip mentioned in the comparison, and it has 10k reviews on the Amazon storefront. This is not some no-name tablet only sold in China. If Apple were comparing against tablets only sold in China in a US press release, and if those tablets were significantly weaker than the best selling Android tablet in America, then yes, it would be misleading, but I have seen no evidence to indicate that, and I don’t believe that’s what happened here. The upvotes I’ve gotten are enough to indicate this isn’t likely to be a bad look for Apple. Plus, even if you consider it misleading, this is only in a press release, it isn’t even on the product page that people will actually see. But no evidence has been presented that Apple chose to be misleading. This comparison seems perfectly fine.
  - ksec 4y ago
    It is not a US Press Release. But a "World Wide" press release. Hence "best-selling car in America" is the wrong analogy. And they never stated it was "best selling Android tablet in America ".
    - coder543 4y ago
      You’re completely ignoring points which don’t agree with you. The Galaxy Tab A7 Lite uses the exact chip in the comparison and is an extremely well-selling tablet in America, and likely worldwide. The new iPad is definitely 5x faster in some benchmarks I checked compared to one of the Amazon fire tablets I saw on sale, which is also extremely popular. That’s two of the most popular tablets I’m aware of, and other tablets in these price ranges don’t appear any more powerful. This indicates that their comparison is not misleading, full stop. We don’t really need more data to prove their comparison seems adequate. Apple didn’t set up a strawman. You’re not providing any evidence to your claim that it is misleading. Just because you don’t like a comparison doesn’t make it misleading. The press release also states Cupertino, California, but I don’t see where it says it is worldwide as you claim. It is reasonable to assume that a press release by a U.S. company being released from a U.S. office is intended for a U.S. audience. I don’t see any mention of euros or other non-U.S. currencies in the press release, but they do mention dollars and they specifically refer to the U.S. several times. If it is targeting the U.S., then the comparison should be against the U.S., and it appears to be perfectly relevant against some of the best selling Android tablets here. There is no need to stretch for some brand only sold in China, as you did in your analogy. (I don’t have the market research they have in order to determine which one is the best selling, but the A7 Lite seems like a solid bet as the one Apple concluded.) What evidence do you have that the best-selling Android tablet in America is significantly faster than the Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite? That’s the only question that is relevant to this discussion. Apple’s claims appear to be spot-on for the U.S. market based on my own quick research. Baseless claims of a company intentionally being misleading are pointless to debate, so I’m done here. I’m happy to criticize Apple for all sorts of things, including their tendency to hamstring PWAs to promote their App Store monopoly, but this tablet performance comparison appears perfectly fine.

ksec 4y ago

> If BMW compared one of their new vehicles to the best-selling car in America, who is going think BMW is intending for the reader to compare against a Bugatti Chiron? That is not what anyone would conclude, and it's the same here. You just said it right here. If BMW is Apple, and the Best Selling Car is the Tata or a Chinese Brand ( because that is where they made the volume ), which reader would have made that conclusion? It is a misleading comparison. And it doesn't look good on Apple.

coder543 4y ago
You’re setting up a strawman which is easy for you to knock over. I specifically said “best-selling car in America”, which would not be from a Chinese brand. It appears to be the Toyota Camry, but whatever it is, it is certainly going to be similar to other well-selling, similarly-priced vehicles the average US reader would be familiar with, whether that is a Honda Civic or Subaru Impreza or whatever. Without seeing Apple’s market research data, which you also haven’t seen, they likely concluded that the best selling Android tablet in America is a cheap tablet sold at Walmart or Amazon. Do you really think the new iPad isn’t up to 5x faster than the best-selling Fire tablet on Amazon? As someone else pointed out, the Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite uses the exact chip mentioned in the comparison, and it has 10k reviews on the Amazon storefront. This is not some no-name tablet only sold in China. If Apple were comparing against tablets only sold in China in a US press release, and if those tablets were significantly weaker than the best selling Android tablet in America, then yes, it would be misleading, but I have seen no evidence to indicate that, and I don’t believe that’s what happened here. The upvotes I’ve gotten are enough to indicate this isn’t likely to be a bad look for Apple. Plus, even if you consider it misleading, this is only in a press release, it isn’t even on the product page that people will actually see. But no evidence has been presented that Apple chose to be misleading. This comparison seems perfectly fine.
- ksec 4y ago
  It is not a US Press Release. But a "World Wide" press release. Hence "best-selling car in America" is the wrong analogy. And they never stated it was "best selling Android tablet in America ".
  - coder543 4y ago
    You’re completely ignoring points which don’t agree with you. The Galaxy Tab A7 Lite uses the exact chip in the comparison and is an extremely well-selling tablet in America, and likely worldwide. The new iPad is definitely 5x faster in some benchmarks I checked compared to one of the Amazon fire tablets I saw on sale, which is also extremely popular. That’s two of the most popular tablets I’m aware of, and other tablets in these price ranges don’t appear any more powerful. This indicates that their comparison is not misleading, full stop. We don’t really need more data to prove their comparison seems adequate. Apple didn’t set up a strawman. You’re not providing any evidence to your claim that it is misleading. Just because you don’t like a comparison doesn’t make it misleading. The press release also states Cupertino, California, but I don’t see where it says it is worldwide as you claim. It is reasonable to assume that a press release by a U.S. company being released from a U.S. office is intended for a U.S. audience. I don’t see any mention of euros or other non-U.S. currencies in the press release, but they do mention dollars and they specifically refer to the U.S. several times. If it is targeting the U.S., then the comparison should be against the U.S., and it appears to be perfectly relevant against some of the best selling Android tablets here. There is no need to stretch for some brand only sold in China, as you did in your analogy. (I don’t have the market research they have in order to determine which one is the best selling, but the A7 Lite seems like a solid bet as the one Apple concluded.) What evidence do you have that the best-selling Android tablet in America is significantly faster than the Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite? That’s the only question that is relevant to this discussion. Apple’s claims appear to be spot-on for the U.S. market based on my own quick research. Baseless claims of a company intentionally being misleading are pointless to debate, so I’m done here. I’m happy to criticize Apple for all sorts of things, including their tendency to hamstring PWAs to promote their App Store monopoly, but this tablet performance comparison appears perfectly fine.