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> America has used its military not for defense but for bullying other countries to its will, benefiting our elites but hurting civilians everywhere. We're not

> America has used its military not for defense but for bullying other countries to its will, benefiting our elites but hurting civilians everywhere. We're not the good guys anymore. I agree that not everyone wants to build killer robots, but this is a phenomenally bad read of the global situation. America is increasingly absent from its commitment to allies. We mostly left NATO out to dry, we didn't do anything to provide allies with energy security, we've left countries to deal with their own terror cells. Even countries that hate us are dreading us pulling our security forces. China doesn't want to be fighting off pirates in the Persian Gulf. Indonesia doesn't want the Strait of Malacca to become a warzone.

solardev 4y ago
Relative to what? Our post WW2 hegemony? Team America World Police? IMHO most of that shouldn't be our responsibility to begin with. There's a difference between defensive alliances, like if Finland joins NATO and Russia attacks, that's one thing. But to drag England and Canada and a bunch of small allies with us through Afghanistan and Iraq on questionable expeditionary adventures...? Maybe let's not? We don't need to be the one legacy superpower with force projection all over the globe cleaning up everyone else's trash and constantly irking the Arabs, the Chinese, the Russians... why do we invite ourselves into flashpoints thousands of miles overseas? Send our people there to die while we can't even take care of domestic affairs? It's a totally skewed set of old world priorities. A generation is sick of that stuff...
- legitster 4y ago
  > Relative to what? The Bretton-Woods system. Prior to 1944 there was no common international market. The only for countries to acquire important commodities was imperialism. All of the participants of WWII determined that one common international market, based on the dollar, enforced by our military, and negotiated by a series of international agencies would benefit all members and support a de-militarization globally as well as a break up of the colony system. While the US benefited from this, we were never as dependent on it as the rest of the world. For us, it was a bribe to get other countries to help us build a wall against Russia. I wouldn't be so excited about having America cede its superpower status though. We're looking at a future full of war and conflict for anyone not in America. There will be limited desire to trade in Euros or Rubles or Yuan - so countries around the world are going to increasingly build up their militaries and resort to securing commodities by force.

solardev 4y ago

Relative to what? Our post WW2 hegemony? Team America World Police? IMHO most of that shouldn't be our responsibility to begin with. There's a difference between defensive alliances, like if Finland joins NATO and Russia attacks, that's one thing. But to drag England and Canada and a bunch of small allies with us through Afghanistan and Iraq on questionable expeditionary adventures...? Maybe let's not? We don't need to be the one legacy superpower with force projection all over the globe cleaning up everyone else's trash and constantly irking the Arabs, the Chinese, the Russians... why do we invite ourselves into flashpoints thousands of miles overseas? Send our people there to die while we can't even take care of domestic affairs? It's a totally skewed set of old world priorities. A generation is sick of that stuff...

legitster 4y ago
> Relative to what? The Bretton-Woods system. Prior to 1944 there was no common international market. The only for countries to acquire important commodities was imperialism. All of the participants of WWII determined that one common international market, based on the dollar, enforced by our military, and negotiated by a series of international agencies would benefit all members and support a de-militarization globally as well as a break up of the colony system. While the US benefited from this, we were never as dependent on it as the rest of the world. For us, it was a bribe to get other countries to help us build a wall against Russia. I wouldn't be so excited about having America cede its superpower status though. We're looking at a future full of war and conflict for anyone not in America. There will be limited desire to trade in Euros or Rubles or Yuan - so countries around the world are going to increasingly build up their militaries and resort to securing commodities by force.