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Once bitten twice shy. It actually looks the other way: after the mobile and browser debacles, I think they got multiple things right: Cloud, XBox, Github, Link

Once bitten twice shy. It actually looks the other way: after the mobile and browser debacles, I think they got multiple things right: Cloud, XBox, Github, LinkedIn...one thing though is you don't see much cohesion between these services which Google and others seem to be much better.

gw99 4y ago
I can't say they got cloud or github right. Both are major friction points for a lot of companies I know. Particularly O365, OneDrive and Intune are complete administrative nightmares riddled with bugs. Even Office on the desktop is a shit show now thanks to all the cloud integration. And GitHub is popular but seriously so so so not right in many ways. What they have succeeded in doing is merely centralising leverage and forcing entrenchment.
Kukumber 4y ago
I only takes reading about recent events to understand how Xbox is everything but successful https://twitter.com/Nick_Marseil/status/1582348100424720384 https://twitter.com/Nick_Marseil/status/1582348100424720384 They have more budget, more studios, more services, and yet both Nintendo and Sony do better with much less budget and much less studios https://www.vgchartz.com/ https://www.vgchartz.com/ They recently catch up WRT to console sales, but that was due to Sony's supply chain issues, since that one resolved, they are failing behind yet again, despite selling the Xbox at a loss! Sony doesn't About Azure, their growth is not organic, specially when you consider they have been fined multiple times WRT corruption https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-settlement-idUSKCN1UH1P3 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-settlement-idUS... https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/07/22/microsoft-pay-million-settle-probe-into-hungarian-kickback-scheme/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/07/22/microso... https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/microsoft_accused_of_corrupt_business/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/microsoft_accused_of_... http://techrights.org/2014/05/28/microsoft-brazil/ http://techrights.org/2014/05/28/microsoft-brazil/ About Github, it was already a thing and very popular before the acquisition, let's not forget that, otherwise it wouldn't have sold for that much, and outages are now lot more common than before ;)
- octodog 4y ago
  That chart is ridiculous comparing lifetime Switch sales against consoles that are only two years old. Do you have a source for the statement that xbox hardware is sold at a loss? Finally, the clear and obvious win for MS in the console space is their Xbox Game Pass subscription.
  - Kukumber 4y ago
    The chart doesn't really matter, look at the weekly sales and growth Despite being much older than Xbox S/X and PS5, it kept and IT STILL sells more than both combined TODAY > Do you have a source for the statement that xbox hardware is sold at a loss? https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-says-xbox-consoles-have-always-been-sold-at-a-loss https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-says-xbox-consoles-have... > Finally, the clear and obvious win for MS in the console space is their Xbox Game Pass subscription. Xbox game pass cost them money, it's not a sustainable business model, it's the bastardization of gaming, we'll see how it performs in the future when they'll stop pumping money into it to attract studios/users Cloud gaming is the future, so that strategy could be a win for them, BUT, it's a very distant future, the current infrastructure doesn't permit it, it's very niche

gw99 4y ago

I can't say they got cloud or github right. Both are major friction points for a lot of companies I know. Particularly O365, OneDrive and Intune are complete administrative nightmares riddled with bugs. Even Office on the desktop is a shit show now thanks to all the cloud integration. And GitHub is popular but seriously so so so not right in many ways. What they have succeeded in doing is merely centralising leverage and forcing entrenchment.

Kukumber 4y ago

I only takes reading about recent events to understand how Xbox is everything but successful https://twitter.com/Nick_Marseil/status/1582348100424720384 https://twitter.com/Nick_Marseil/status/1582348100424720384 They have more budget, more studios, more services, and yet both Nintendo and Sony do better with much less budget and much less studios https://www.vgchartz.com/ https://www.vgchartz.com/ They recently catch up WRT to console sales, but that was due to Sony's supply chain issues, since that one resolved, they are failing behind yet again, despite selling the Xbox at a loss! Sony doesn't About Azure, their growth is not organic, specially when you consider they have been fined multiple times WRT corruption https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-settlement-idUSKCN1UH1P3 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-settlement-idUS... https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/07/22/microsoft-pay-million-settle-probe-into-hungarian-kickback-scheme/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/07/22/microso... https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/microsoft_accused_of_corrupt_business/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/microsoft_accused_of_... http://techrights.org/2014/05/28/microsoft-brazil/ http://techrights.org/2014/05/28/microsoft-brazil/ About Github, it was already a thing and very popular before the acquisition, let's not forget that, otherwise it wouldn't have sold for that much, and outages are now lot more common than before ;)

octodog 4y ago
That chart is ridiculous comparing lifetime Switch sales against consoles that are only two years old. Do you have a source for the statement that xbox hardware is sold at a loss? Finally, the clear and obvious win for MS in the console space is their Xbox Game Pass subscription.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  The chart doesn't really matter, look at the weekly sales and growth Despite being much older than Xbox S/X and PS5, it kept and IT STILL sells more than both combined TODAY > Do you have a source for the statement that xbox hardware is sold at a loss? https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-says-xbox-consoles-have-always-been-sold-at-a-loss https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-says-xbox-consoles-have... > Finally, the clear and obvious win for MS in the console space is their Xbox Game Pass subscription. Xbox game pass cost them money, it's not a sustainable business model, it's the bastardization of gaming, we'll see how it performs in the future when they'll stop pumping money into it to attract studios/users Cloud gaming is the future, so that strategy could be a win for them, BUT, it's a very distant future, the current infrastructure doesn't permit it, it's very niche