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I think they’re so isolated to particular nyc neighborhoods and to Twitter that they aren’t aware of the level of anger and distrust. Kind of reminds me of whe

I think they’re so isolated to particular nyc neighborhoods and to Twitter that they aren’t aware of the level of anger and distrust. Kind of reminds me of when actors tell people who vote Republican not to see their movies, then are shocked when they flop. I genuinely don’t think these people realize how large the “other” is because they never interact with them in real life

TMWNN 4y ago
>I think they’re so isolated to particular nyc neighborhoods and to Twitter that they aren’t aware of the level of anger and distrust. Some people get it. From before the 2016 election: <http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberali...> <http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-on...> (so, so prophetic in why the Rust Belt broke for Trump) and after: <http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugne...> The New York Times pointed out after Trump's election stunned the press <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/business/media/media-trump-clinton.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/business/media/media-trump...> that >Whatever the election result, you're going to hear a lot from news executives about how they need to send their reporters out into the heart of the country, to better understand its citizenry. >But that will miss something fundamental. Flyover country isn't a place, it's a state of mind — it's in parts of Long Island and Queens, much of Staten Island, certain neighborhoods of Miami or even Chicago. And, yes, it largely — but hardly exclusively — pertains to working-class white people. In other words, it isn't just a question of The New York Times (and the TV networks, and pretty much all of the rest of mass media) completely ignoring the rubes out in rural Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin (which all, strangely enough, unexpectedly voted for Trump in 2016), but their ignoring the residents of their own city, just across one bridge. >Kind of reminds me of when actors tell people who vote Republican not to see their movies, then are shocked when they flop. I genuinely don’t think these people realize how large the “other” is because they never interact with them in real life The New Yorker film critic Pauline Kael didn't actually say "I can't believe Nixon won. I don't know anyone who voted for him" in 1972. She did say, however <https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pauline_Kael https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pauline_Kael>: >I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken. But sometimes when I'm in a theater I can feel them. If you think that there is no meaningful difference, you would be correct.
- lapcat 4y ago
  Trump's performance in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin wasn't unprecedented. In fact, George W. Bush outperformed him slightly. Bush 2004: Michigan 47.81% Pennsylvania 48.42% Wisconsin 49.32% Trump 2016: Michigan 47.5% Pennsylvania 48.18% Wisconsin 47.22% Despite this, Bush lost all 3 states, while Trump won all 3 states. The difference is that Clinton significantly underperformed other Democratic candidates. There was a big 3rd party vote surge in 2016, 4% higher than in 2012 or 2020, led by Gary Johnson, and also a bit by Jill Stein. One could argue that this was due to dissatisfaction with Clinton, but in any case, it seemed to hurt Clinton more than Trump -- who ended up losing all 3 states in 2020 despite performing slightly better in them than 2016.

TMWNN 4y ago

>I think they’re so isolated to particular nyc neighborhoods and to Twitter that they aren’t aware of the level of anger and distrust. Some people get it. From before the 2016 election: <http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberali...> <http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-on...> (so, so prophetic in why the Rust Belt broke for Trump) and after: <http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugne...> The New York Times pointed out after Trump's election stunned the press <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/business/media/media-trump-clinton.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/business/media/media-trump...> that >Whatever the election result, you're going to hear a lot from news executives about how they need to send their reporters out into the heart of the country, to better understand its citizenry. >But that will miss something fundamental. Flyover country isn't a place, it's a state of mind — it's in parts of Long Island and Queens, much of Staten Island, certain neighborhoods of Miami or even Chicago. And, yes, it largely — but hardly exclusively — pertains to working-class white people. In other words, it isn't just a question of The New York Times (and the TV networks, and pretty much all of the rest of mass media) completely ignoring the rubes out in rural Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin (which all, strangely enough, unexpectedly voted for Trump in 2016), but their ignoring the residents of their own city, just across one bridge. >Kind of reminds me of when actors tell people who vote Republican not to see their movies, then are shocked when they flop. I genuinely don’t think these people realize how large the “other” is because they never interact with them in real life The New Yorker film critic Pauline Kael didn't actually say "I can't believe Nixon won. I don't know anyone who voted for him" in 1972. She did say, however <https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pauline_Kael https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pauline_Kael>: >I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken. But sometimes when I'm in a theater I can feel them. If you think that there is no meaningful difference, you would be correct.

lapcat 4y ago
Trump's performance in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin wasn't unprecedented. In fact, George W. Bush outperformed him slightly. Bush 2004: Michigan 47.81% Pennsylvania 48.42% Wisconsin 49.32% Trump 2016: Michigan 47.5% Pennsylvania 48.18% Wisconsin 47.22% Despite this, Bush lost all 3 states, while Trump won all 3 states. The difference is that Clinton significantly underperformed other Democratic candidates. There was a big 3rd party vote surge in 2016, 4% higher than in 2012 or 2020, led by Gary Johnson, and also a bit by Jill Stein. One could argue that this was due to dissatisfaction with Clinton, but in any case, it seemed to hurt Clinton more than Trump -- who ended up losing all 3 states in 2020 despite performing slightly better in them than 2016.