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What’s wrong with the other 34%? Are they the folks buying magnetic health bracelets and random organic supplements?

by rdtwo 4y ago

zmgsabst 4y ago
Those are generally the “no trust” crowd. The “trust media” crowd are the bourgeois who watched the Iraq War lies then tell you with a straight face the same people are being honest with you about Ukraine.
- cyberlurker 4y ago
  Media aside, do you really think those two wars are comparable?
  - zerocrates 4y ago
    You could draw maybe a closer analogue to the first Gulf War than to the Iraq War. Of course the direct involvement of Russia makes neither all that close of a comparison.
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    The second iraq war? Sure. Both are imperialist invasions based on false premises and lies
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    No — Ukraine is closer to our illicit Cold War activities in Latin America, where we train questionable militias who engage in ethnic attacks. But I do think the media is openly propagandizing, including false information from “permanent state” pundits, eg former military officials. And my linking the two is that it’s literally the same people — eg, Victoria Nuland, who after Iraq moved on to Euromaidan and the Ukraine mess. > From 2003 to 2005, Nuland served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney, exercising an influential role during the Iraq War. From 2005 to 2008, during President George W. Bush's second term, Nuland served as U.S. ambassador to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in Brussels, where she concentrated on mobilizing European support for the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan. > Nuland was the lead U.S. point person for the Revolution of Dignity, establishing loan guarantees to Ukraine, including a $1 billion loan guarantee in 2014, and the provisions of non-lethal assistance to the Ukrainian military and border guard. Along with Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Ash Carter, she is seen as a leading supporter of defensive weapons delivery to Ukraine. Why would the bureaucrats who lied to us and failed in Iraq and Afghanistan be honest people leading us in the right direction now?

What’s wrong with the other 34%? Are they the folks buying magnetic health bracelets and random organic supplements?

by rdtwo 4y ago

What’s wrong with the other 34%? Are they the folks buying magnetic health bracelets and random organic supplements?

Those are generally the “no trust” crowd. The “trust media” crowd are the bourgeois who watched the Iraq War lies then tell you with a straight face the same people are being honest with you about Ukraine.

cyberlurker 4y ago
Media aside, do you really think those two wars are comparable?
- zerocrates 4y ago
  You could draw maybe a closer analogue to the first Gulf War than to the Iraq War. Of course the direct involvement of Russia makes neither all that close of a comparison.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  The second iraq war? Sure. Both are imperialist invasions based on false premises and lies
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  No — Ukraine is closer to our illicit Cold War activities in Latin America, where we train questionable militias who engage in ethnic attacks. But I do think the media is openly propagandizing, including false information from “permanent state” pundits, eg former military officials. And my linking the two is that it’s literally the same people — eg, Victoria Nuland, who after Iraq moved on to Euromaidan and the Ukraine mess. > From 2003 to 2005, Nuland served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney, exercising an influential role during the Iraq War. From 2005 to 2008, during President George W. Bush's second term, Nuland served as U.S. ambassador to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in Brussels, where she concentrated on mobilizing European support for the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan. > Nuland was the lead U.S. point person for the Revolution of Dignity, establishing loan guarantees to Ukraine, including a $1 billion loan guarantee in 2014, and the provisions of non-lethal assistance to the Ukrainian military and border guard. Along with Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Ash Carter, she is seen as a leading supporter of defensive weapons delivery to Ukraine. Why would the bureaucrats who lied to us and failed in Iraq and Afghanistan be honest people leading us in the right direction now?