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Do not make The Perfect an enemy of The Good. Merely because some accidents still happen despite motivated and brilliant people working to prevent them does no

by toss1 4y ago

Do not make The Perfect an enemy of The Good. Merely because some accidents still happen despite motivated and brilliant people working to prevent them does not mean that the effort should not be made. You don't abandon the endeavor, but nor do you just throw caution to the winds. The article had a great example of a competing space company with an evidently solid safety culture; an accident was reported, and inspection done, and zero issues were found (which is quite difficult to be good enough have an OSHA inspection find nothing of note) >> Relativity has a strong safety record relative to others in the industry, with just one OSHA safety inspection since it was founded in 2015. The inspection, spurred by an accident, did not result in a violation.

merely-unlikely 4y ago
Considering Relativity hasn't actually launched a rocket yet (they are aiming for first launch this year), they are more a prospective competitor.
happyopossum 4y ago
> Do not make The Perfect an enemy of The Good. That's all well and good, but you also can't demonize an entire culture based on unrealistic navel-gazing. It's entirely possible this was a process or design problem that could have been prevented, but it's also possible that it's not - pretending you know based on few details in a one-sided article is pretty silly.
- krisoft 4y ago
  > pretending you know based on few details in a one-sided article is pretty silly No. It is not. There is one telling detail in the article. SpaceX was fined by OSHA. That pretty much means in itself that there were things SpaceX shoulf have done which they didn’t. We can’t and won’t do each our own investigation. Nobody believes that the article has enough details to decide the case on its merrits. But we know that someone professional did the investigation and found the company violated the safety norms. That is what we have these agencies for.
  - merely-unlikely 4y ago
    > SpaceX was fined $18,475 by OSHA for two safety violations, one of which was rated the highest penalty level of “serious” and a maximum gravity of 10. Though the article says "highest penalty level," according to OSHA's website had the violation been "Willful or Repeated" it would have resulted in up to a $145k fine[1]. [1] https://www.osha.gov/penalties https://www.osha.gov/penalties
  - happyopossum 4y ago
    > SpaceX was fined by OSHA We don't know what for, or if the fined offense would have prevented this accident.
Robotbeat 4y ago
It’s worth noting that SpaceX has about 20 times the number of employees as Relativity and Relativity has not yet launched anything to orbit whereas Falcon has over 180 flights. I don’t think we can objectively say the culture at Relativity is objectively safer yet. Relativity is also an extremely new company in comparison to SpaceX.

by toss1 4y ago

merely-unlikely 4y ago

Considering Relativity hasn't actually launched a rocket yet (they are aiming for first launch this year), they are more a prospective competitor.

happyopossum 4y ago

> Do not make The Perfect an enemy of The Good. That's all well and good, but you also can't demonize an entire culture based on unrealistic navel-gazing. It's entirely possible this was a process or design problem that could have been prevented, but it's also possible that it's not - pretending you know based on few details in a one-sided article is pretty silly.

krisoft 4y ago
> pretending you know based on few details in a one-sided article is pretty silly No. It is not. There is one telling detail in the article. SpaceX was fined by OSHA. That pretty much means in itself that there were things SpaceX shoulf have done which they didn’t. We can’t and won’t do each our own investigation. Nobody believes that the article has enough details to decide the case on its merrits. But we know that someone professional did the investigation and found the company violated the safety norms. That is what we have these agencies for.
- merely-unlikely 4y ago
  > SpaceX was fined $18,475 by OSHA for two safety violations, one of which was rated the highest penalty level of “serious” and a maximum gravity of 10. Though the article says "highest penalty level," according to OSHA's website had the violation been "Willful or Repeated" it would have resulted in up to a $145k fine[1]. [1] https://www.osha.gov/penalties https://www.osha.gov/penalties
- happyopossum 4y ago
  > SpaceX was fined by OSHA We don't know what for, or if the fined offense would have prevented this accident.

Robotbeat 4y ago

It’s worth noting that SpaceX has about 20 times the number of employees as Relativity and Relativity has not yet launched anything to orbit whereas Falcon has over 180 flights. I don’t think we can objectively say the culture at Relativity is objectively safer yet. Relativity is also an extremely new company in comparison to SpaceX.