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Are you ignoring the effort to clear their supply chain and own engineering of all sorts of chemicals known to be toxic during manufacture, use, and recycling/d

Are you ignoring the effort to clear their supply chain and own engineering of all sorts of chemicals known to be toxic during manufacture, use, and recycling/disposal? It's been completed over 10 years ago easily.

lm28469 4y ago
The process is inherently a waste of resource, you can make it as efficient as you want, selling airpods with glued batteries, 200 millions phones per year, pushing people to continuously upgrade, &c. is an unsustainable waste This is like the aviation industry, rolls royce making their engine 5% more efficient over a decade is nice, if in the meantime we multiplied the number of flights by 30 we're still fucked So yes apple removed some plastic wraps and uses a bit of recycled aluminum, its all marketing, carbon neutrality isn't a thing, green capitalism isn't a thing, it's a feel good marketing slogan for 30 years old techbros buying a new apple watch every 9 months
- scarface74 4y ago
  Have you looked at the typical AirPod and how much of is actually the battery?
  - lm28469 4y ago
    Well you're making my point... when the tiny ass battery inevitably fails after being cycled 1-3 times per day every day you have to get rid of the whole otherwise perfectly fine working product because no one can swap the battery in an economically viable way How efficient is that ? You could have a screw in battery taking the same amount of space and allowing a basically unlimited life, but I guess I'm not a "genius™" Just so you know this is how e waste is "recycled": https://www.spiegel.de/international/tomorrow/electronic-waste-in-africa-recycling-methods-damage-health-and-the-environment-a-1086221.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/tomorrow/electronic-was... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/burning-truth-behind-e-waste-dump-africa-180957597/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/burning-truth-... https://www.genevaenvironmentnetwork.org/resources/updates/the-growing-environmental-risks-of-e-waste/ https://www.genevaenvironmentnetwork.org/resources/updates/t...
    - scarface74 4y ago
      And the alternative is a larger battery and a heavier headphone for something that goes directly in your ear.
      - lm28469 4y ago
        The horror... "why did you destroy your home planet ?" "convenience"
        scarface74 4y ago
        Yes I’m sure a 1 pound set of headphones would have been comfortable hanging on your ears and out of all of the things that are “destroying the planet”, I’m sure that AirPods are a bigger culprit than anything - including all of the Android phones that get thrown away because they never see an update.

lm28469 4y ago

The process is inherently a waste of resource, you can make it as efficient as you want, selling airpods with glued batteries, 200 millions phones per year, pushing people to continuously upgrade, &c. is an unsustainable waste This is like the aviation industry, rolls royce making their engine 5% more efficient over a decade is nice, if in the meantime we multiplied the number of flights by 30 we're still fucked So yes apple removed some plastic wraps and uses a bit of recycled aluminum, its all marketing, carbon neutrality isn't a thing, green capitalism isn't a thing, it's a feel good marketing slogan for 30 years old techbros buying a new apple watch every 9 months

scarface74 4y ago
Have you looked at the typical AirPod and how much of is actually the battery?
- lm28469 4y ago
  Well you're making my point... when the tiny ass battery inevitably fails after being cycled 1-3 times per day every day you have to get rid of the whole otherwise perfectly fine working product because no one can swap the battery in an economically viable way How efficient is that ? You could have a screw in battery taking the same amount of space and allowing a basically unlimited life, but I guess I'm not a "genius™" Just so you know this is how e waste is "recycled": https://www.spiegel.de/international/tomorrow/electronic-waste-in-africa-recycling-methods-damage-health-and-the-environment-a-1086221.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/tomorrow/electronic-was... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/burning-truth-behind-e-waste-dump-africa-180957597/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/burning-truth-... https://www.genevaenvironmentnetwork.org/resources/updates/the-growing-environmental-risks-of-e-waste/ https://www.genevaenvironmentnetwork.org/resources/updates/t...
  - scarface74 4y ago
    And the alternative is a larger battery and a heavier headphone for something that goes directly in your ear.
    - lm28469 4y ago
      The horror... "why did you destroy your home planet ?" "convenience"
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Yes I’m sure a 1 pound set of headphones would have been comfortable hanging on your ears and out of all of the things that are “destroying the planet”, I’m sure that AirPods are a bigger culprit than anything - including all of the Android phones that get thrown away because they never see an update.