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I'd imagine they're silent regarding it because 1) it's an active safety investigation 2) legal will be involved 3) it's frankly nobody else's business, seeing

I'd imagine they're silent regarding it because 1) it's an active safety investigation 2) legal will be involved 3) it's frankly nobody else's business, seeing as it's a private business

fasthands9 4y ago
I mean #2 is obviously correct but that shouldn't make the public feel any better. Precisely because there are downsides (including legal and political) for announcing incidents they will only do so if they have to.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > that shouldn't make the public feel any better The incident was reported to a federal agency. I’m not sure I’d want my medical history publicly aired if I were injured at work.
  - fasthands9 4y ago
    https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-the-cabadas-during-this-difficult-times https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-the-cabadas-during-this-diff... The family started a public GoFundme page. I think its clear that it is in the interest of both the family and labor at large to get stories about workplace injuries to the public.
    - elsonrodriguez 4y ago
      It's interesting to note that the family has changed the main picture to remove any overt SpaceX references.
giarc 4y ago
>3) it's frankly nobody else's business, seeing as it's a private business It is however a private business taking public money. If a government was pumping millions of dollars into a company that was producing an unsafe work environment resulting in injury and death (not saying that is the case) but I think the public has a right to know.
- googlryas 4y ago
  That's OSHA's job, not SpaceX's. And I don't think you can take a single incident and use that to determine if a workplace is safe or not. Especially considering the context of it being a rocket factory.
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  I pump money into a lot of local businesses, and yet they never send me workplace safety reports.
BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
>”2) legal will be involved” In court, an apology, even something as simple as saying “sorry”, can be used as an admission of guilt. It behooves them to say as little as possible.
tptacek 4y ago
OSHA incidents probably don't fit the "nobody's business" pattern, in the same way major breaches like the one that happened at Uber don't.
- shortstuffsushi 4y ago
  Is this meant to say, if it's an OSHA involved incident, it should be made public knowledge?
  - tptacek 4y ago
    I'd remove the word "should". OSHA incidents create public records. They are, by definition, our business.
    - shortstuffsushi 4y ago
      I was not actually aware these incidents were made public record, so TIL. For this specific instance, here is a link for any interested. https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/establishment.inspection_detail?id=1579779.015 https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/establishment.inspection_detai...
      - tptacek 4y ago
        Essentially all public functions that create records create, by definition, public records. There are exceptions, but they're much narrower than you'd expect. You're entitled to demand copies of the records that federal agencies collect, and those records are created with the expectation that they can be produced on demand. Most agencies do a reasonable job of making things overtly public, so you can just download them. But even if they don't, you can just FOIA them.
KennyBlanken 4y ago
Workplace safety violations are absolutely society's "business."
p1necone 4y ago
> frankly nobody else's business, seeing as it's a private business Uhh, wut? How many people have to die inside a private business before it does become other peoples business. And how do you know if you've got your blinders on.

I'd imagine they're silent regarding it because 1) it's an active safety investigation 2) legal will be involved 3) it's frankly nobody else's business, seeing as it's a private business

fasthands9 4y ago

I mean #2 is obviously correct but that shouldn't make the public feel any better. Precisely because there are downsides (including legal and political) for announcing incidents they will only do so if they have to.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> that shouldn't make the public feel any better The incident was reported to a federal agency. I’m not sure I’d want my medical history publicly aired if I were injured at work.
- fasthands9 4y ago
  https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-the-cabadas-during-this-difficult-times https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-the-cabadas-during-this-diff... The family started a public GoFundme page. I think its clear that it is in the interest of both the family and labor at large to get stories about workplace injuries to the public.
  - elsonrodriguez 4y ago
    It's interesting to note that the family has changed the main picture to remove any overt SpaceX references.

giarc 4y ago

>3) it's frankly nobody else's business, seeing as it's a private business It is however a private business taking public money. If a government was pumping millions of dollars into a company that was producing an unsafe work environment resulting in injury and death (not saying that is the case) but I think the public has a right to know.

googlryas 4y ago
That's OSHA's job, not SpaceX's. And I don't think you can take a single incident and use that to determine if a workplace is safe or not. Especially considering the context of it being a rocket factory.
BurningFrog 4y ago
I pump money into a lot of local businesses, and yet they never send me workplace safety reports.

BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago

>”2) legal will be involved” In court, an apology, even something as simple as saying “sorry”, can be used as an admission of guilt. It behooves them to say as little as possible.

tptacek 4y ago

OSHA incidents probably don't fit the "nobody's business" pattern, in the same way major breaches like the one that happened at Uber don't.

shortstuffsushi 4y ago
Is this meant to say, if it's an OSHA involved incident, it should be made public knowledge?
- tptacek 4y ago
  I'd remove the word "should". OSHA incidents create public records. They are, by definition, our business.
  - shortstuffsushi 4y ago
    I was not actually aware these incidents were made public record, so TIL. For this specific instance, here is a link for any interested. https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/establishment.inspection_detail?id=1579779.015 https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/establishment.inspection_detai...
    - tptacek 4y ago
      Essentially all public functions that create records create, by definition, public records. There are exceptions, but they're much narrower than you'd expect. You're entitled to demand copies of the records that federal agencies collect, and those records are created with the expectation that they can be produced on demand. Most agencies do a reasonable job of making things overtly public, so you can just download them. But even if they don't, you can just FOIA them.

KennyBlanken 4y ago

Workplace safety violations are absolutely society's "business."

p1necone 4y ago

> frankly nobody else's business, seeing as it's a private business Uhh, wut? How many people have to die inside a private business before it does become other peoples business. And how do you know if you've got your blinders on.