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> Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate I'm not seeing any evidence anywhere that there were 'dangerous'

> Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate I'm not seeing any evidence anywhere that there were 'dangerous' rates of hospitalizations, unless you consider any increase 'dangerous'. Have any facts to back that up, or is it hyperbole?

nivenkos 4y ago
All I could find was https://www.tagesspiegel.de/die-patienten-stapeln-sich-in-den-fluren-ist-das-oktoberfest-schuld-8750251.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/die-patienten-stapeln-sich-in-de... Which is far from convincing. You can bet the government will jump on it to suppress the growing energy crisis, anti-war and cost-of-living protests though.
dividedbyzero 4y ago
Just going off reporting in German media, I remember one statement by Minister for Health Lauterbach that hospitalizations were increasing faster than in previous waves and a couple of reports that Munich hospitals were getting ready to implement their contingency plans, shed patients to other districts etc. That did sound like a dangerous rate of increase to me, but I didn't fact-check any of this.
- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
  Lauterbach is known for making unserious and hyperbolic claims unmoored from scientific fact. A simple minded fool desperately trying to seem smart.
bhaak 4y ago
How about the hospitals opting out of handling emergency cases? https://twitter.com/dokhollidays/status/1582013255106498560 https://twitter.com/dokhollidays/status/1582013255106498560
- happyopossum 4y ago
  I think the past few years have shown that an unsubstantiated twitter thread is worthy of much credence - especially in light of a significant lack of traditional reporting on the topic.
  - bhaak 4y ago
    How is it unsubstantiated if the tweet cites its sources? The Brandbrief can also easily be googled. The traditional reporting sucks. This year there was a strike in hospitals in NRW and the traditional media mostly reported about it after it finished after 77 days. I agree, a tweet on its own doesn't prove much. But I've been following some accounts that work in hospitals for a while now and I noticed a change in tone. I would be extra careful right now not to get yourself into an emergency situation. The problem is you only notice how bad the situation is if you work there or you need some services.
  - pixelfarmer 4y ago
    What is "traditional reporting"? If you refer to these profit driven attention seeking media outlets which love to label themselves as "traditional media" I'd be careful assuming that their selection of news is any sensible indication of what is really important. As said, they have to make money first and foremost, and this entire CV19 topic is burnt to a crisp by now, i.e. "ROI" is low compared to other topics. Fact is that Germany has seen a jump in people being infected, hospitalized, and generally being on sick leave, which triggers and triggered already a number of consequences from that. This includes operations being shifted around, and other (localized) health system overloads due to staff shortages. "Traditional media" actually covered the more official complaints coming from that direction.

nivenkos 4y ago

All I could find was https://www.tagesspiegel.de/die-patienten-stapeln-sich-in-den-fluren-ist-das-oktoberfest-schuld-8750251.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/die-patienten-stapeln-sich-in-de... Which is far from convincing. You can bet the government will jump on it to suppress the growing energy crisis, anti-war and cost-of-living protests though.

dividedbyzero 4y ago

Just going off reporting in German media, I remember one statement by Minister for Health Lauterbach that hospitalizations were increasing faster than in previous waves and a couple of reports that Munich hospitals were getting ready to implement their contingency plans, shed patients to other districts etc. That did sound like a dangerous rate of increase to me, but I didn't fact-check any of this.

MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
Lauterbach is known for making unserious and hyperbolic claims unmoored from scientific fact. A simple minded fool desperately trying to seem smart.

bhaak 4y ago

How about the hospitals opting out of handling emergency cases? https://twitter.com/dokhollidays/status/1582013255106498560 https://twitter.com/dokhollidays/status/1582013255106498560

happyopossum 4y ago
I think the past few years have shown that an unsubstantiated twitter thread is worthy of much credence - especially in light of a significant lack of traditional reporting on the topic.
- bhaak 4y ago
  How is it unsubstantiated if the tweet cites its sources? The Brandbrief can also easily be googled. The traditional reporting sucks. This year there was a strike in hospitals in NRW and the traditional media mostly reported about it after it finished after 77 days. I agree, a tweet on its own doesn't prove much. But I've been following some accounts that work in hospitals for a while now and I noticed a change in tone. I would be extra careful right now not to get yourself into an emergency situation. The problem is you only notice how bad the situation is if you work there or you need some services.
- pixelfarmer 4y ago
  What is "traditional reporting"? If you refer to these profit driven attention seeking media outlets which love to label themselves as "traditional media" I'd be careful assuming that their selection of news is any sensible indication of what is really important. As said, they have to make money first and foremost, and this entire CV19 topic is burnt to a crisp by now, i.e. "ROI" is low compared to other topics. Fact is that Germany has seen a jump in people being infected, hospitalized, and generally being on sick leave, which triggers and triggered already a number of consequences from that. This includes operations being shifted around, and other (localized) health system overloads due to staff shortages. "Traditional media" actually covered the more official complaints coming from that direction.