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8yrs is better than 4yrs but worse than 12, 20, 30yrs. I get that in some ways tech is different (my rice cookers still going, 60yrs) but in other ways it's no

8yrs is better than 4yrs but worse than 12, 20, 30yrs. I get that in some ways tech is different (my rice cookers still going, 60yrs) but in other ways it's not. My 2014 MBP really has zero reason to become obsolete (they stopped supporting it a year ago). It still functions just fine. It's still plenty fast. There are no features of the 2021 MBP missing from them 2014 MBP except at most USB-C ports.

r00fus 4y ago
If you want your MBP from 2014 to run the latest OS release, check out: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.ht... Honestly hoping for 12/20/30+ years of patches sounds super nice but unreasonable. My MacPlus from 1986 works fine, but I don't expect Apple to provide MacOS7 patches.
- asdff 4y ago
  Why not? Automakers recall cars and 'patch' them years later.
  - MockObject 4y ago
    Their OS7 team would be larger than the number of OS7 users. It would be cheaper for Apple to send free Macs to all the users than support the code anymore.
  - brewdad 4y ago
    What automaker is recalling and patching a 36 year old vehicle? Heck, show me one that is patching a 10 year old vehicle.
scarface74 4y ago
So you expect Apple to support the 2010 era iPad 1st generation that had 256MB RAM and 400Mhz A4 in 2022? Or do you expect Apple to support a 20 year old Mac? Or do you expect Apple to support a 1992 era Mac LCII with a 68030-16Mhz processor that came with at most a 10MB RAM and a 80MB hard drive?
- rektide 4y ago
  My 2010 (and below) x86 tablets all run fine. Linux has mitigated most of the security issues. They all run completely current browsers. Personally I think all of these examples should either legally have to be supported, or companies should be obligated to give away all source code & systems required for the user community/world to continue ongoing support & fixes.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    I’m sure it run very fast, is light and has great battery life compared to a $300 low end iPad. At some point using old hardware becomes silly and becomes a point of nerd pride.
    - rektide 4y ago
      The 2013 Dell Venue 11 Pro is remarkably good a contender. It's been $300 for half a decade, has 8-9 hours battery life with the keyboard, isn't super light nor thin but is pretty good & very compact, has a decent front shooter & so so back shooter. Has a 4G option. I have moved on to a great 2-in-1 from 2017 that is quite similar, newer specs, much lighter at 7.4mm and 1.6lbs, OLED screen... this isn't geek pride. This is a fantastic brilliant light machine that until very recently would knock the socks off any iPad or Android Tablet, and has been available New Old Stock for under $400 for years now. It's far more machine than the flagship tablets until very recently. The low end iPad is definitely an enviable marvel but it's also far less of an advance than I think we really understand. Part of why it looks so good though is because so many machines are poorly built, are compromised heavily. The whole 2-in-1 thing has gotten segmented into expensive fancy Surface competitors & ultra-low-end machines (which honestly with slightly better builds and much much better screens would be stunning devices), with unreasonable uncompromising top or bottom of market positioning. It's been sad. But some places out there are some really great 2-in-1 pc competitors, that have long put to shame Android & iPad offerings (until Apples very recent speedy but oh-so-limited oh-so-walled-garden oh-so-controlled shorter-lifed iPads). There's absolutely a lot of people who just swear by Lenovo T420's forever & seemingly always will. I'm not at all of that ilk.
hinkley 4y ago
If Apple didn’t exist you’d be praying for a company that offered 8 years of support. Android’s history is littered with devices that got one major update and then nothing. It’s a huge part of Google’s running story: a complete lack of what any other company would call engineering discipline. I’m sure they have discipline, they’ve just maximized for certain dimensions that don’t matter very much to consumers. Like novelty over longevity. Profit over longevity.

r00fus 4y ago

If you want your MBP from 2014 to run the latest OS release, check out: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.ht... Honestly hoping for 12/20/30+ years of patches sounds super nice but unreasonable. My MacPlus from 1986 works fine, but I don't expect Apple to provide MacOS7 patches.

asdff 4y ago
Why not? Automakers recall cars and 'patch' them years later.
- MockObject 4y ago
  Their OS7 team would be larger than the number of OS7 users. It would be cheaper for Apple to send free Macs to all the users than support the code anymore.
- brewdad 4y ago
  What automaker is recalling and patching a 36 year old vehicle? Heck, show me one that is patching a 10 year old vehicle.

scarface74 4y ago

So you expect Apple to support the 2010 era iPad 1st generation that had 256MB RAM and 400Mhz A4 in 2022? Or do you expect Apple to support a 20 year old Mac? Or do you expect Apple to support a 1992 era Mac LCII with a 68030-16Mhz processor that came with at most a 10MB RAM and a 80MB hard drive?

rektide 4y ago
My 2010 (and below) x86 tablets all run fine. Linux has mitigated most of the security issues. They all run completely current browsers. Personally I think all of these examples should either legally have to be supported, or companies should be obligated to give away all source code & systems required for the user community/world to continue ongoing support & fixes.
- scarface74 4y ago
  I’m sure it run very fast, is light and has great battery life compared to a $300 low end iPad. At some point using old hardware becomes silly and becomes a point of nerd pride.
  - rektide 4y ago
    The 2013 Dell Venue 11 Pro is remarkably good a contender. It's been $300 for half a decade, has 8-9 hours battery life with the keyboard, isn't super light nor thin but is pretty good & very compact, has a decent front shooter & so so back shooter. Has a 4G option. I have moved on to a great 2-in-1 from 2017 that is quite similar, newer specs, much lighter at 7.4mm and 1.6lbs, OLED screen... this isn't geek pride. This is a fantastic brilliant light machine that until very recently would knock the socks off any iPad or Android Tablet, and has been available New Old Stock for under $400 for years now. It's far more machine than the flagship tablets until very recently. The low end iPad is definitely an enviable marvel but it's also far less of an advance than I think we really understand. Part of why it looks so good though is because so many machines are poorly built, are compromised heavily. The whole 2-in-1 thing has gotten segmented into expensive fancy Surface competitors & ultra-low-end machines (which honestly with slightly better builds and much much better screens would be stunning devices), with unreasonable uncompromising top or bottom of market positioning. It's been sad. But some places out there are some really great 2-in-1 pc competitors, that have long put to shame Android & iPad offerings (until Apples very recent speedy but oh-so-limited oh-so-walled-garden oh-so-controlled shorter-lifed iPads). There's absolutely a lot of people who just swear by Lenovo T420's forever & seemingly always will. I'm not at all of that ilk.

hinkley 4y ago

If Apple didn’t exist you’d be praying for a company that offered 8 years of support. Android’s history is littered with devices that got one major update and then nothing. It’s a huge part of Google’s running story: a complete lack of what any other company would call engineering discipline. I’m sure they have discipline, they’ve just maximized for certain dimensions that don’t matter very much to consumers. Like novelty over longevity. Profit over longevity.