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Pretty much everyone here knocking the iPad Pros for being consumption-only passive entertainment devices. But I guess the artists, musicians, video-editors an

Pretty much everyone here knocking the iPad Pros for being consumption-only passive entertainment devices. But I guess the artists, musicians, video-editors and photographers using them professionally would disagree, if they ever came here.

dagmx 4y ago
It’s a big issue with the audience of this site being too hyper focused on software development. You can see it taken one step further in threads about GitHub Copilot getting torn to bits but the threads on Stable Diffusion getting lauded as the end of artists. It’s the double standards that come up when people fixate only on what they know well themselves.
- bovermyer 4y ago
  Yeah... I like Copilot for helping me with specific coding/data entry tasks, and I like Stable Diffusion for helping with my art workflow (I'm also an artist). I tend to keep quiet about such opinions on here, though, because I know I'll get downvoted into oblivion for heresy.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  My criticism of Apple is that it is a closed environment and you get dependent on one manufacturer that is already using its position to demand high prices and doesn't really make you the owner of their devices. This conflicts with engineering in general all over the place for numerous reasons. Industry automation relies on Windows, which isn't optimal as well, but it still is a far more open system. I hope they don't try to copy Apple. In-house advertising uses Apple for designs and that works decently well. Apple is seen as cool, but it is sometimes hard to integrate them into workflows or more serious work on data. iOS and it derivatives are simply a toy OS and very unflexible. There is one solution to almost everything and in most cases it works. But that is more or less the end.
EugeneOZ 4y ago
And kids. My daughter is using her iPad extensively, and not only for games - she is drawing a lot, and her current CPU is already pushing the limits in some sophisticated drawing apps.
BudaDude 4y ago
I am a hobbyist video editor and I am excited for this iPad. I never thought I would see Davinci Resolve come to it. Especially before Final Cut.
jessriedel 4y ago
I use it everyday for handwritten math. Unfortunately, the software is meager compared to the hardware.
TheRealNGenius 4y ago
srvmshr 4y ago
I use the LiDAR of the iPad Pro to capture full schematic of room in 3D to prepare spatial datasets. It isn't perfect. The sampling rate of iPad Pro is still lower than professional 3D cameras, but I can't complain when they cost a fraction of the latter. 3DScanner and similar apps do a great job at stitching the volumetric data on the fly & rendering on iPad itself (before I transfer). We use these data to do some inference via 3D computer vision projects for clients
adrr 4y ago
Do creative types use Ipad Pros? The IPadOS file system is less than optimal. Adobe apps are the real thing and missing features. My company has a full video team, and photo team. No one has asked for an IPad Pro. They do have proXDR screens and some beefy macs. Only execs have them for a high end zoom boxes especially if they have a windows laptop that have poor mics and cameras. Center stage feature is really nice.
- theshrike79 4y ago
  Now ask the full video team to spend 30 weeks of a year travelling around the world, producing video on locations. I bet you they won't want to lug around the proXDR screens and beefy macs at that point.
  - hbn 4y ago
    They'd probably go for a MacBook Pro that has the software they use before an iPad.
- musictubes 4y ago
  Are there any creatives that don’t work in industry? Video teams that use Mac Pros and Pro Display XDR wouldn’t even be able to use a MacBook Pro does that mean the MacBook Pro can’t be used by creatives? So yes, creatives use the iPads. It is the main driver for more performance on an ipad. Drawing, audio performance, photo editing, hell, they are great second displays for MacBooks.
  - hbn 4y ago
    This thread was started with a comment about iPads being used by professionals in these industries.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
yamtaddle 4y ago
> Pretty much everyone here knocking the iPad Pros for being consumption-only passive entertainment devices. Yeah, this criticism has never made sense to me. I think it could only come from people for whom the only purpose of computers is to make software, not to get out and... you know, do things with the software, in the actual world. I-devices excel at that. They are excellent computers as tools for doing things that aren't focused on locally testing docker containers or whatever we all do in our day jobs that require less-portable and kinda-dumber (their "view of the world", if you will, is much more limited) desktops and laptops.
hbn 4y ago
I'll give you that artists use them for drawing. But professional musicians, video editors, and photographers? All the software for doing any of those things is kneecapped versions of Mac apps. If they use an iPad at all it's as some kind of supplementary tool for the real machine the work gets done on.
mixmastamyk 4y ago
It's very frustrating that you can't even do simple operations on files that were standard on the '84 Macintosh. I'm not talking about rocket-science or a git-based build system. I had high hopes for the Files app when it debuted, and was very disappointed.
FearlessNebula 4y ago
The thing is, is the iPad really the best device at the price point for these people? Artist seems like the only one. - for a musician, surely the full featured desktop software is better? And for $800 you can get a pretty good laptop - video editors must also prefer a desktop OS. They can use keyboard hot keys, industry standard software, and get better GPU hardware - photographers might do pretty well with an iPad Pro but again I think they’d probably still be best with desktop class photoshop - a casual artist I will contend probably does best with an iPad Pro. But if they start doing really serious professional work, they will again probably want the full desktop software and an expensive Wacom hardware to go alongside So at both casual and professional levels, the iPad Pro really only makes sense for a casual illustrator from what I can see.
boppo1 4y ago
> But I guess the artists, musicians, video-editors and photographers using them professionally would disagree, if they ever came here. I do. But be glad we generally don't, it would probably lower the quality of discussion.

dagmx 4y ago

It’s a big issue with the audience of this site being too hyper focused on software development. You can see it taken one step further in threads about GitHub Copilot getting torn to bits but the threads on Stable Diffusion getting lauded as the end of artists. It’s the double standards that come up when people fixate only on what they know well themselves.

bovermyer 4y ago
Yeah... I like Copilot for helping me with specific coding/data entry tasks, and I like Stable Diffusion for helping with my art workflow (I'm also an artist). I tend to keep quiet about such opinions on here, though, because I know I'll get downvoted into oblivion for heresy.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
My criticism of Apple is that it is a closed environment and you get dependent on one manufacturer that is already using its position to demand high prices and doesn't really make you the owner of their devices. This conflicts with engineering in general all over the place for numerous reasons. Industry automation relies on Windows, which isn't optimal as well, but it still is a far more open system. I hope they don't try to copy Apple. In-house advertising uses Apple for designs and that works decently well. Apple is seen as cool, but it is sometimes hard to integrate them into workflows or more serious work on data. iOS and it derivatives are simply a toy OS and very unflexible. There is one solution to almost everything and in most cases it works. But that is more or less the end.

EugeneOZ 4y ago

And kids. My daughter is using her iPad extensively, and not only for games - she is drawing a lot, and her current CPU is already pushing the limits in some sophisticated drawing apps.

BudaDude 4y ago

I am a hobbyist video editor and I am excited for this iPad. I never thought I would see Davinci Resolve come to it. Especially before Final Cut.

jessriedel 4y ago

I use it everyday for handwritten math. Unfortunately, the software is meager compared to the hardware.

TheRealNGenius 4y ago

srvmshr 4y ago

I use the LiDAR of the iPad Pro to capture full schematic of room in 3D to prepare spatial datasets. It isn't perfect. The sampling rate of iPad Pro is still lower than professional 3D cameras, but I can't complain when they cost a fraction of the latter. 3DScanner and similar apps do a great job at stitching the volumetric data on the fly & rendering on iPad itself (before I transfer). We use these data to do some inference via 3D computer vision projects for clients

adrr 4y ago

Do creative types use Ipad Pros? The IPadOS file system is less than optimal. Adobe apps are the real thing and missing features. My company has a full video team, and photo team. No one has asked for an IPad Pro. They do have proXDR screens and some beefy macs. Only execs have them for a high end zoom boxes especially if they have a windows laptop that have poor mics and cameras. Center stage feature is really nice.

theshrike79 4y ago
Now ask the full video team to spend 30 weeks of a year travelling around the world, producing video on locations. I bet you they won't want to lug around the proXDR screens and beefy macs at that point.
- hbn 4y ago
  They'd probably go for a MacBook Pro that has the software they use before an iPad.
musictubes 4y ago
Are there any creatives that don’t work in industry? Video teams that use Mac Pros and Pro Display XDR wouldn’t even be able to use a MacBook Pro does that mean the MacBook Pro can’t be used by creatives? So yes, creatives use the iPads. It is the main driver for more performance on an ipad. Drawing, audio performance, photo editing, hell, they are great second displays for MacBooks.
- hbn 4y ago
  This thread was started with a comment about iPads being used by professionals in these industries.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

yamtaddle 4y ago

> Pretty much everyone here knocking the iPad Pros for being consumption-only passive entertainment devices. Yeah, this criticism has never made sense to me. I think it could only come from people for whom the only purpose of computers is to make software, not to get out and... you know, do things with the software, in the actual world. I-devices excel at that. They are excellent computers as tools for doing things that aren't focused on locally testing docker containers or whatever we all do in our day jobs that require less-portable and kinda-dumber (their "view of the world", if you will, is much more limited) desktops and laptops.

hbn 4y ago

I'll give you that artists use them for drawing. But professional musicians, video editors, and photographers? All the software for doing any of those things is kneecapped versions of Mac apps. If they use an iPad at all it's as some kind of supplementary tool for the real machine the work gets done on.

mixmastamyk 4y ago

It's very frustrating that you can't even do simple operations on files that were standard on the '84 Macintosh. I'm not talking about rocket-science or a git-based build system. I had high hopes for the Files app when it debuted, and was very disappointed.

FearlessNebula 4y ago

The thing is, is the iPad really the best device at the price point for these people? Artist seems like the only one. - for a musician, surely the full featured desktop software is better? And for $800 you can get a pretty good laptop - video editors must also prefer a desktop OS. They can use keyboard hot keys, industry standard software, and get better GPU hardware - photographers might do pretty well with an iPad Pro but again I think they’d probably still be best with desktop class photoshop - a casual artist I will contend probably does best with an iPad Pro. But if they start doing really serious professional work, they will again probably want the full desktop software and an expensive Wacom hardware to go alongside So at both casual and professional levels, the iPad Pro really only makes sense for a casual illustrator from what I can see.

boppo1 4y ago

> But I guess the artists, musicians, video-editors and photographers using them professionally would disagree, if they ever came here. I do. But be glad we generally don't, it would probably lower the quality of discussion.