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i think big cities will always attract people. companies will do more to bring people back over time. the bay area will not be a leader in this space. i don’t

i think big cities will always attract people. companies will do more to bring people back over time. the bay area will not be a leader in this space. i don’t think anyone doubts that when the commute is reasonable and office perks good it’s better to be in an office. mostly for social reasons. sf had some of the longer commutes in the country some other better connected metro area will grow bigger and more successful and then things will have a forcing function to make it less painful to go into the office

ghaff 4y ago
>i think big cities will always attract people. Certain demographics of generally younger people in particular. Mind you, this isn't a law of nature. A lot of now "elite" cities were still losing population 25 years or so ago. And when I graduated in the mid-80s, Manhattan aside, almost none of my classmates moved to a downtown. That said, very anecdotally, my company is has actually added some space downtown even though I understand our suburban office is pretty empty. (Boston area)
- diebeforei485 4y ago
  That was unique to American (and to some extent Canadian) cities due to urban planning policies that prioritized suburban commuters over city residents.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    And somewhat uniquely American urban problems that basically led to a lot of white middle class people (and many companies) just abandoning the cities because it was basically the path of least resistance for them.
cwkoss 4y ago
> i don’t think anyone doubts that when the commute is reasonable and office perks good it’s better to be in an office. This is manager fantasy. You're not going to find enough talent to fill an office with a 'reasonable' commute in my city. Its silly to hire based on commute time, so inevitably any office situation like this will have a bell curve of commute times, with some being 1+ hour each way - a crazy waste of productivity.

ghaff 4y ago

>i think big cities will always attract people. Certain demographics of generally younger people in particular. Mind you, this isn't a law of nature. A lot of now "elite" cities were still losing population 25 years or so ago. And when I graduated in the mid-80s, Manhattan aside, almost none of my classmates moved to a downtown. That said, very anecdotally, my company is has actually added some space downtown even though I understand our suburban office is pretty empty. (Boston area)

diebeforei485 4y ago
That was unique to American (and to some extent Canadian) cities due to urban planning policies that prioritized suburban commuters over city residents.
- ghaff 4y ago
  And somewhat uniquely American urban problems that basically led to a lot of white middle class people (and many companies) just abandoning the cities because it was basically the path of least resistance for them.

cwkoss 4y ago

> i don’t think anyone doubts that when the commute is reasonable and office perks good it’s better to be in an office. This is manager fantasy. You're not going to find enough talent to fill an office with a 'reasonable' commute in my city. Its silly to hire based on commute time, so inevitably any office situation like this will have a bell curve of commute times, with some being 1+ hour each way - a crazy waste of productivity.