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Everyday I think more and more about homeschooling my son and daughter. In business, you should never outsource your core competency. I wonder if I really shou
by stuckinhell 4y ago
Everyday I think more and more about homeschooling my son and daughter.
In business, you should never outsource your core competency. I wonder if I really should be outsourcing the raising of my kids,that I love most in the world (of course I love my husband too).
- jason-phillips 4y ago> Everyday I think more and more about homeschooling my son and daughter. If they show any aptitude or creative spark in some area that won't be well-served in the industrial education system, do it.
- AndrewKemendo 4y agoUnfortunately it would seem from looking around that parenting is not a core competency for a lot of parents.
- mariodiana 4y agoYou're right. But, one, those parents are unlikely to homeschool. And, two, it would seem from looking around that it isn't a core competency for a lot of schools.
- 535188B17C93743 4y agoIt seems like it's easier (or more efficient) to outsource education than socialization. Summer is a great time for additional education beyond the classroom. Then again, research suggests that homeschooling doesn't have an adverse socialization impact [1]... [1] https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/research/summaries/homeschooling-socialization/ https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/research/summaries/home...
- PaulHoule 4y agoSocialization in school might be positive for some children, but bullying is part of the curriculum in public schools and could subtract from any positive benefits for some children.
- recursivedoubts 4y ago"If you don't send your kids to school, they won't fit in with society." "Correct."
- RHSeeger 4y agoTo put it in a less pithy way... bullying is part of life, too. You certainly want to prevent what bullying you can in schools and give your children the tools to cope with it. But being home schooled means you (likely) never deal with it in the first place; and it's likely to be all the more damaging when you try to settle into an adult life.
- jlkuester7 4y agoMost of the homeschooling families that I have experienced do not seek to completely shelter their children from all the bad things in the world. Taking the bullying example, the goal is not to protect their kids from ever experiencing bullying. Instead they are trying to provide a structured environment for their children to develop while gradually exposing them to more challenging people/situations as they become prepared to handle them. When teaching a child to swim, you don't typically throw them into the deep end of the pool, but instead start out in a shallow structured situation until they have learned the basics.
- em-bee 4y agoif bullying in school is necessary for kids to learn how to cope with adult life then most children are going to fail, because most of them will not experience any bullying. so how does that help? i must therefore disagree with that premise. i was bullied (thankfully just mildly) in school, and i learned nothing from it that would have been useful later. what we need to kids to learn is that bullying is not part of life and should not be tolerated anywhere, but should be stopped whereever possible. if we want to help children then not by letting them learn how to cope with being bullied, but teaching all children how to not be a bully, and how to recognize when others are being bullied, and how to help both the one being bullied, as well as the bully, who may well act out because they are themselves coming from a difficult situation eg at home. doing that in a school requires active involvement from teachers and parents. absent that, going to school doesn't provide any benefit on that issue.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y agoI wish we could. We have the possibility, but i have no idea where to start teaching school material. And of course I'm terrified of the social aspect.
- luckylion 4y agoAren't there essentially School-Material-As-A-Service companies that provide all the stuff to you? I cannot imagine that every homeschooling parent starts building their own study plans and comes up with their own teaching concepts etc. Regarding the social aspect, do you mean your children not getting enough social interaction with other children of the same age, or how home schooling is viewed socially?
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- jlkuester7 4y ago> School-Material-As-A-Service I laughed out loud! This is a great term! And yes, these absolutely exist and are more popular now than ever!
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y agoGood to know, thank you, worth exploring!
- Ligma123 4y agoYou can enroll your children in any extracurricular activity, such as sports and arts and it will cover the social aspect.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y agoNot 100% confident in this. In a classroom you all face the same challenges (this bad teacher, the test being hard etc.) so it develops comradery, each other helps. Yeah, there is also bad stuff, but it's an experience that I don't know if sports alone can deliver (the amount of time you spend together in school is way higher).
- enragedcacti 4y agoIt's important to distinguish between a core competency and something of extreme importance. Obviously education is extremely important but that doesn't mean a parent will inherently be any good at doing it, other than of course caring a lot, which may or may not help depending on how that energy is channeled.
- NegativeK 4y agoI know this is coming from a viewpoint that a lot of people don't or can't share with me, but I'd rather move to a good district than homeschool. The stakes are high, and teaching is _hard_.
- jlkuester7 4y agoTeaching is hard. Absolutely! But sitting one-on-one with your child helping them understand something is _way different_ than trying to manage a classroom and explain concepts to 30 people who are all at different levels of knowledge and development. The beauty of homeschooling is that it does not really have to scale. To steal an analogy from the tech world, when homeschooling you can approach your "students" as pets instead of livestock. None of this means that homeschooling is easy, but in my experience (was home-schooled myself for 12 years and now my wife and I are homeschooling our children) a lot of the skills you need to effectively teach your children at home are the same basic ones that are necessary for being an effective parent in the first place. (As I mentioned before, though, this is a very different set of skills than is required to be an effective teacher in a classroom environment...)
- jlkuester7 4y agoThis is a very good point! I would just like to add, though, that teaching does not have to be one of your "core competencies" to consider homeschooling. Many folks like in places with terrible public schools, but also cannot afford to send their children to private school. As a friend recently remarked to me: to be successful in homeschooling, you do not have to provide a perfect education. As long as it is better than the alternative, it makes sense to have the option on the table. (Of course, deployment of energy and resources must also be considered. Homeschooling is a TON of effort and might not be worth it for only marginal gains...)
- lm28469 4y ago> In business, Your kids aren't a business, life isn't a business, we should stop trying to optimise everything as if it was a startup, you're already outsourcing 99.9% of your life anyways Home schooling properly isn't easy, you'll infuses your biases deep into your kids without even noticing it, unless you country's schools are dogshit I'd let them go there
- nathanaldensr 4y agoI want my kids infused with my "deep biases," and not the deep biases of a corrupt public school system, thank you. Homeschooling is a feature, not a bug.
- lm28469 4y agoYou're free to want what you want, it doesn't make it an objective positive thing > corrupt In what way ?
- smegsicle 4y agoin what way is it not corrupt? what forces are in place preventing it from being corrupt? it goes without saying that there would be a lot of money and power invested in infusing the future voting public with certain biases not necessarily in their best interest
- kennend3 4y agolet me google taht for you? https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/im-former-teacher-heres-how-your-children-are-getting-indoctrinated-leftist https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/im-former-teac... https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/feqtuo/teachers_who_push_their_political_opinions_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/feqtuo/te... Parents send their kids to school to get an education, not be pushed propaganda.
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- trgn 4y agoMe too. In our extended social circle, we're seeing home schooling become more and more popular. Online schools, self-guided pacing and curricula, unschooling etc... A whole range, but whatever it is, not classroom based education. Homeschooling is not just for anti-establishment weirdos anymore, "normal" people seem to take the leap a lot more. Not sure what's holding us back; some combination of inertia, fear, doubt, finances no doubt.
- rr888 4y agoTeacher's core competency is teaching. They study it for years, practice it for years, in a system tuned over time. You have never done it before. You really think you can do better?
- michaelt 4y agoTeachers have years of pedagogy experience - but is that enough to perform better despite having 10x as many students in a class?
- Mikeb85 4y agoIn most countries teachers aren't required to study teaching per se... Just have a university degree and some training. Some countries require only that you graduated high school/secondary. You're overstating most teachers' competency, not to mention, most of grade school is pretty damn basic... Most commentators on this site are more educated than the typical teacher. Not to mention, the difference between teaching a class of 30 versus only 1-3 children.
- yeck 4y agoParents actually teach their children a lot before they potentially head out for more formal educating, so even if we assume parents don't have teaching experience from their professions, I don't think it is very accurate to suggest they haven't taught anything. I do question that having a single teacher for 20+ students teaching all subjects for the entire school year is obviously going to work better than motivated homeschooling parent(s). While teachers do have formal education on the matter, it also includes how to manage many children in a classroom setting and how to interface with schools and their processes. The part of the education pertaining to the subjects teachers teach is actually pretty incomplete. To teach elementary students, you have a major, but still teach them subjects that you might only have an average understanding of (like a history major teaching a music class). Given all that, it doesn't seem hard to believe that parents could do better for a single child than pre-school and elementary school teachers. As a child gets older their needs evolve such that no one person has everything required to best support that child. That is an advantage of schools (usually high school), but could also be solved with tutoring and other programs available to homeschoolers.
- commandlinefan 4y ago> never outsource your core competency I chose a middle-of-the-road approach: the schools can teach them socialization skills that I can't, but I can be their full-time tutor when tests come along. That does mean you'll need to spend time re-acquainting yourself with long-forgotten high-school algebra, though.
- hayst4ck 4y agoSome of my cousins were home schooled and half of them are now not on speaking terms with their parents. Many of the kids in my college program who were home schooled were also kind of weird and sometimes socially crippled. A lot of home schooled kids are clearly from incredibly conservative religious fundamentalist families, so that's a stereotype you may have to deal with and quite potentially the type of people you place your children around for extra-curricular socialization activities or in hybrid home schooling environments. I worked with a lot of MIT graduates, and there was a definite trend of private education amongst them. Of course that's from outside looking in, probably better to interview those who have been home schooled to get their perspectives.
- jlkuester7 4y ago> kind of weird and sometimes socially crippled > A lot of home schooled kids are clearly from incredibly conservative religious fundamentalist families I wonder if anti-social tendencies are more of a function of a child's home environment, in general, and not specifically related to homeschooling (though, of course, spending more time in the home would amplify the effect of that environment on a person's upbringing....). I say that because I have spent time around a good number of home-schooled teenagers who live in stable, middle-class, non-extremist households and I can say that basically all of them are able to socially function at a very high level (well above average). Sure they might be hip with the latest Zoomer lingo (are teenagers still Gen-Z?) but they understood how to have intelligent conversations with adults as well as their peers (e.g. look someone in the eye when speaking to them, express their thoughts and opinions clearly, listen and understand what was being said to them).
- hayst4ck 4y agoThat is probably true. I suppose the real question is what the primary goal of home schooling is. If it's primarily to prevent liberal indoctrination, I expect that will have poor outcomes. If it's primarily to avoid the hazard of daycare for teenagers and classes aimed for the lowest common denominator (no child left behind), as well as the hazards of an environment that won't let people fail and can't reasonably handle disruptive behavior (by kicking out bad students), I would expect that might lead to better outcomes.
- biomcgary 4y agoMy wife and I were both homeschooled and are homeschooling our children. Their opportunities are far more diverse than if they were in school most of the day. They don't have digital device addictions and play outside 10x most other kids. They are capable of engaging people across a wide range of ages, not just those within a year or two in age. When playing with similarly aged peers, they are consistently the leaders of play because they have more natural creativity, imagination, and, most importantly, initiative. They can fit into a system when needed, but they can also create systems on the fly because they haven't been trained to be cogs on a wheel. As an evolutionary developmental biologist, I was trained that the key ingredient to adapting to changing environments is phenotypic diversity (diversity has to precede natural selection). If you think the current system of mass technology, mass corporations, and mass culture are sustainable and desirable, leave your children in a system originally created to meet the needs of the barons of the industrial revolution. They'll fit right in and never notice what they are missing. Long-term, monocultures are rarely sustainable and generally quite boring. So, if you question the value of our current system (e.g., wealth/power distribution) or think it is unsustainable (e.g., global warming), you might want to raise your children outside of the system. They can always choose to conform later, but it is much harder to reacquire the true creativity that comes from not feeling the internal need to conform. I was raised outside "the system", but entered the system to get a PhD in evolutionary computational biology and now work for a health related biotech. I got my position because I have a distinctively different approach to problems than most.
- jemmyw 4y agoMy kids are also homeschooled. There's a lot of benefits and fewer downsides than I expected. School was shit for me and I'm glad my kids are having a better experience. On the other hand I can't stand the evangelism of many homeschoolers such as yourself. We tend to avoid homeschooling groups. They (we? :( ) aren't good for just having normal conversations and a laugh with. > When playing with similarly aged peers, they are consistently the leaders of play because they... Yeah I know the type. Otherwise known as the precocious brat children everyone else can't wait to get away from.
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- mleonhard 4y agoI was homeschooled and it was very bad for me. I missed the chance to learn crucial social skills in the low-stakes school environment. Learning requires making mistakes. I had to make these mistakes in my 20s and 30s at work and in social circles. My parents' decision to homeschool me had the effect of making me play life on hard mode.