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Visited SF recently. Did things always close early?
by mrfox321 4y ago
Visited SF recently. Did things always close early?
- wmichelin 4y agothe city closes at 10 for the most part, yeah
- alephnerd 4y agoYep. SF wasn't really a late night city for most of my life growing up here.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoRelatively cheap, abundant labor is required for businesses to be open late, and that is not something SF has.
- diebeforei485 4y agoHousing shortage means low-paid workers commute in from (usually) the East Bay, so the lack of late-night transit plus safety concerns make it not worth it for most minimum wage workers to work late. Higher paid jobs like healthcare workers, no problem.
- alephnerd 4y agoI dislike how transplants tend to broadly paint the East Bay. It isn't a cheap region either. Most blue collar labor types living in the East Bay are in the Alameda County flatlands (parts of Newark, parts of Fremont, inner city Oakland, Berkeley, El Cerrito, Albany) or North Contra Costa County (Pittsburg, Antioch, Richmond). But most of the unskillled labor underclass you see in the Bay Area cities tend to drive in/Bart in/ACE in from San Joaquin Country, Sonoma County, or Monterey County.
- diebeforei485 4y agoIt's definitely cheap in comparison to San Francisco. It's more expensive than most of the country, sure. And yes some parts of the East Bay are expensive, especially the neighborhoods on the hills or Piedmont/Claremont and further inland like Walnut Creek or Orinda etc. But let's be real, most of the East Bay is one big suburban wasteland. There are a lot of folks living in East Oakland (with roommates, often) who work in SF restaurants.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago> Higher paid jobs like healthcare workers, no problem. There most definitely has been a decline in quality of healthcare due to decline in quantity and quality of healthcare workers relative to patients in the recent past. Even though a job might be higher paid, it does not imply the pay to quality of life at work is sufficiently high to incentivize the desirable amount of labor sellers to pursue it.
- whimsicalism 4y agoyes
- chatterhead 4y agoYeah, wealthy people don't need to stay up for your business.
- blululu 4y agoDepends on your baseline. Compared to New York things close early. Compared to Santa Cruz things are open late. It's all about perspective.
- dub 4y agoSF was never a late night city, but it's become even sleepier in recent years. Some examples: Orphan Andy's, Safeway on Market, and Pinecrest diner are no longer 24/7. Sparky's closed forever (a 24/7 diner). It's Tops Coffee Shop stopped staying open late and then eventually closed forever. Corner/liquor stores that used to be open late are closing well before midnight. Kowloon Tong Dessert Cafe used to be open until 2am most nights, but now they always close at midnight.
- fragmede 4y agoThe underground scene is still going!
- skyyler 4y agoHas it returned to pre-pandemic levels? I haven't seen much going on...
- pjlegato 4y agoSan Francisco was very much a late night city at least into the 1940s -- check out the historic posters hanging at the Fairmont Hotel advertising various live shows that _started_ at midnight.