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Fun read. I would love to read what if it's not text based, is it going to be different? Visual programming seems to suffer from composability and it's also bou

Fun read. I would love to read what if it's not text based, is it going to be different? Visual programming seems to suffer from composability and it's also bounded to be using human language as well, box with border is hard to comprehend, can get messy easily. I mean, visual but text-like theme. It seems to be in sweat spot. Only fix some downside/limit of text.

csmeyer 4y ago
Shameless plug for my hybrid visual/text pl, Pickcode, which matches what you're talking about Demo programs: https://app.pickcode.io/playground https://app.pickcode.io/playground
- Vermeulen 4y ago
  Wow this is awesome, love this style. I did something really similar with our game's scripting language called MBScript: https://docs.modboxgame.com/docs/mbscript https://docs.modboxgame.com/docs/mbscript Same kind of line setup, visual add button, etc. Whats Pickcode made for? Web programming?
  - csmeyer 4y ago
    Pickcode is meant for K-12 education as an alternative to block programming. The end goal is to have a WYSIWG editor for web apps with behavior defined using the visual programming language. MBScript looks great and I’d love to talk about your learnings from it. My contact is on the pickcode.io landing page if you want to chat!
- Existenceblinks 4y ago
  Hey, yes! Nice, I'm thinking more serious and ambitious. You could go mass by adding "module" and ways to compose. The keyboard navigation is ok-ish (honest opinion) because this is the hardest ones which is design for every day task in long run, at minimum should be as fast as text based programming. At least 3-4 devs are comfortable to work on this codebase (non-realtime, just normal version branching flow) I really really want this decades old idea to take off. We should have grammar files in .. json is fine (have to start somewhere), and have spec for editor implementor to spread it across platforms. Ideally languages creators only have to customize "view" to decide how their lang would look like. Probably configure keymaps if they think their lang can be developed fast with certain keystroke (akin to emacs but more friendly because medium is not text anymore)
masklinn 4y ago
You could check out Self. It’s image-based so the objects are “live”, and can be interacted with directly via the UI.
- Existenceblinks 4y ago
  Is it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCx6Nj_Hr1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCx6Nj_Hr1g ? I've seen quite many live programming languages. Though not a single one seems to want to go mass. Like able to have at least a 3-4 devs team work on it.
  - masklinn 4y ago
    > Is it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCx6Nj_Hr1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCx6Nj_Hr1g ? Yes. > I've seen quite many live programming languages. I have no idea what that means.

csmeyer 4y ago

Shameless plug for my hybrid visual/text pl, Pickcode, which matches what you're talking about Demo programs: https://app.pickcode.io/playground https://app.pickcode.io/playground

Vermeulen 4y ago
Wow this is awesome, love this style. I did something really similar with our game's scripting language called MBScript: https://docs.modboxgame.com/docs/mbscript https://docs.modboxgame.com/docs/mbscript Same kind of line setup, visual add button, etc. Whats Pickcode made for? Web programming?
- csmeyer 4y ago
  Pickcode is meant for K-12 education as an alternative to block programming. The end goal is to have a WYSIWG editor for web apps with behavior defined using the visual programming language. MBScript looks great and I’d love to talk about your learnings from it. My contact is on the pickcode.io landing page if you want to chat!
Existenceblinks 4y ago
Hey, yes! Nice, I'm thinking more serious and ambitious. You could go mass by adding "module" and ways to compose. The keyboard navigation is ok-ish (honest opinion) because this is the hardest ones which is design for every day task in long run, at minimum should be as fast as text based programming. At least 3-4 devs are comfortable to work on this codebase (non-realtime, just normal version branching flow) I really really want this decades old idea to take off. We should have grammar files in .. json is fine (have to start somewhere), and have spec for editor implementor to spread it across platforms. Ideally languages creators only have to customize "view" to decide how their lang would look like. Probably configure keymaps if they think their lang can be developed fast with certain keystroke (akin to emacs but more friendly because medium is not text anymore)

masklinn 4y ago

You could check out Self. It’s image-based so the objects are “live”, and can be interacted with directly via the UI.

Existenceblinks 4y ago
Is it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCx6Nj_Hr1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCx6Nj_Hr1g ? I've seen quite many live programming languages. Though not a single one seems to want to go mass. Like able to have at least a 3-4 devs team work on it.
- masklinn 4y ago
  > Is it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCx6Nj_Hr1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCx6Nj_Hr1g ? Yes. > I've seen quite many live programming languages. I have no idea what that means.