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The worst thing that points to the US is how quiet the US media is about this disaster. Also I don't believe Russia has the technical ability to pull it off so

The worst thing that points to the US is how quiet the US media is about this disaster. Also I don't believe Russia has the technical ability to pull it off so professionally without strong proof being found by US. Also even if we Europeans think it was the US we can't do much about it as we depend on US.

azinman2 4y ago
The US media has not been quiet. Russia has the means to blow shit up.
- m000 4y ago
  > Russia has the means to blow shit up. With shells and missiles. Not with covert operations under NATO fleet's nose.
  - azinman2 4y ago
    Says who? According to your premise, NATO knows who did it.
  - YLE118 4y ago
    There seemed to be pretty good indications that Russia has blown up things in the EU in the last decade. For example https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/28/bulgarian-prosecutors-allege-russian-links-to-arms-depot-explosions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/28/bulgarian-pros...
    - w1nst0nsm1th 4y ago
      In the last decade. Not the last 4 days.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
Investigations are ongoing, there is nothing new to report right now.
saiya-jin 4y ago
One thing that puzzles me - there are thousands of satellites 24/7, CIA has their own, NSA has their own, Navy, Air Force and so on. And all other neighbors around that incident site should be monitoring everything possible. On a very strategically important pipeline for whole continent. Yet nobody saw anything, there are no past records going few hours back of some ship sailing to those spots? I mean US can spot very shallow speed boats of cocaine smugglers for a long time, so they use submarines from what I gathered. One explanation would be that submarine, but - if I would be doing marine defense, I would be pinging / doing some other equivalent of radar checks very frequently. But maybe this is really difficult to do due ie shape of sea bottom, reach of such pings, animal protections, just pure costs etc.
- rmu09 4y ago
  Assuming these incidents were caused by some sort of device, that device could have been placed there a long time ago. Oligarch-superyachts are/were (before the war) probably not that suspicious cruising there, and I would not be shocked if some of them have mini-submarines.
  - w1nst0nsm1th 4y ago
    https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/yacht-design/superyachts-with-submarines https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/yacht-design/supery... It must be "La Datcha".
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HelloMcFly 4y ago
I know about this because I got a NYTimes email push alert and I saw it all over the news subsequently. But that was then, this is now - what is there to report?
- guerrilla 4y ago
  I mean there's constant daily coverage here, so all of that. How would you know you're not missing anything if you're missing almost everything? I don't think you can expect us to fill you in on everything, but did you know that the Swedish Navy was in the specific area on the 22nd, 23rd and 24th for example? Recently the news was about the emissions and the leaks stopping, video of the damage, closing the area, opening the area, repairs, redirection of gas, environmental impact analyses and so on. Right now it's more about the negotiations and diplomacy surrounding the investigations. Then of course there's all the market, security and policy reactions...
  - HelloMcFly 4y ago
    I guess I'm asking: what else should they be putting on the front page headline and blasting on CNN chirons. Stories have continued to be published in both the NYT and WaPo. It's certainly still coming up in my Google News feed. I haven't seen any major news that merits news cycle domination.
- w1nst0nsm1th 4y ago
  According to the Financial Times, "Russia and US blame each other." Talk me about investigative journalism.

azinman2 4y ago

The US media has not been quiet. Russia has the means to blow shit up.

m000 4y ago
> Russia has the means to blow shit up. With shells and missiles. Not with covert operations under NATO fleet's nose.
- azinman2 4y ago
  Says who? According to your premise, NATO knows who did it.
- YLE118 4y ago
  There seemed to be pretty good indications that Russia has blown up things in the EU in the last decade. For example https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/28/bulgarian-prosecutors-allege-russian-links-to-arms-depot-explosions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/28/bulgarian-pros...
  - w1nst0nsm1th 4y ago
    In the last decade. Not the last 4 days.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

Investigations are ongoing, there is nothing new to report right now.

saiya-jin 4y ago

One thing that puzzles me - there are thousands of satellites 24/7, CIA has their own, NSA has their own, Navy, Air Force and so on. And all other neighbors around that incident site should be monitoring everything possible. On a very strategically important pipeline for whole continent. Yet nobody saw anything, there are no past records going few hours back of some ship sailing to those spots? I mean US can spot very shallow speed boats of cocaine smugglers for a long time, so they use submarines from what I gathered. One explanation would be that submarine, but - if I would be doing marine defense, I would be pinging / doing some other equivalent of radar checks very frequently. But maybe this is really difficult to do due ie shape of sea bottom, reach of such pings, animal protections, just pure costs etc.

rmu09 4y ago
Assuming these incidents were caused by some sort of device, that device could have been placed there a long time ago. Oligarch-superyachts are/were (before the war) probably not that suspicious cruising there, and I would not be shocked if some of them have mini-submarines.
- w1nst0nsm1th 4y ago
  https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/yacht-design/superyachts-with-submarines https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/yacht-design/supery... It must be "La Datcha".
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HelloMcFly 4y ago

I know about this because I got a NYTimes email push alert and I saw it all over the news subsequently. But that was then, this is now - what is there to report?

guerrilla 4y ago
I mean there's constant daily coverage here, so all of that. How would you know you're not missing anything if you're missing almost everything? I don't think you can expect us to fill you in on everything, but did you know that the Swedish Navy was in the specific area on the 22nd, 23rd and 24th for example? Recently the news was about the emissions and the leaks stopping, video of the damage, closing the area, opening the area, repairs, redirection of gas, environmental impact analyses and so on. Right now it's more about the negotiations and diplomacy surrounding the investigations. Then of course there's all the market, security and policy reactions...
- HelloMcFly 4y ago
  I guess I'm asking: what else should they be putting on the front page headline and blasting on CNN chirons. Stories have continued to be published in both the NYT and WaPo. It's certainly still coming up in my Google News feed. I haven't seen any major news that merits news cycle domination.
w1nst0nsm1th 4y ago
According to the Financial Times, "Russia and US blame each other." Talk me about investigative journalism.