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Hacktivists or state actors attacking the SCADA systems and increasing the pressure to levels that it's not built to handle? The russian government itself doin

Hacktivists or state actors attacking the SCADA systems and increasing the pressure to levels that it's not built to handle? The russian government itself doing that to make it appear someone else did it?

jdhn 4y ago
I personally believe this was a state actor who did it. If it was a SCADA system attack to overpressure the pipe, a state actor is the most likely culprit as SCADA knowledge isn't that common among laypeople. Personally, I think powerful explosives were used, at which point it'd definitely be a state actor because who else would have access to high power explosives, and then place them hundreds of feet below sea level next to a pipeline?
Ialdaboth 4y ago
My guess is the Russians did it because they were ashamed of all the leverage nordstream was giving them on the Germans and on Europe.
boringg 4y ago
Not enough flowrate for that - they had already stopped flowing through the pipeline.
- standup 4y ago
  Just speculating, what about causing a sudden increase in pressure, like a water hammer, but with gas? Any chance of that causing it to fail?
  - Arrath 4y ago
    Chance? Possibly, but very unlikely. Causing it to fail, with the seismic signature that coincided with the failure? Impossible.
kornhole 4y ago
Increasing the pressure levels could not have produced such extensive damage. It was explosives. If Russia wanted to stop the flow, they could simply turn off the valves on their side rather than blow up their own infrastructure they spent billions to build.
vesinisa 4y ago
Come on. The only way to destroy 50 meters of pipeline is with explosives/weapons. Even if someone increased the pressure to a breaking point, it would cause a much smaller failure at a seam and the pressure would then stabilize. This is Putin playing power games. He wants so strike fear in the German public and cause public support for aiding Ukraine to falter. By failing to correctly attribute the actor behind this act of terror and spreading conspiracy theories you are only playing to the hand of that war-mongering dictator.
poopnugget 4y ago
mschuster91 4y ago
> Hacktivists or state actors attacking the SCADA systems and increasing the pressure to levels that it's not built to handle? Such an overpressure would have been detected (and in the worst case, mitigated by flaring or outright venting) at the German entry points of NordStream 1 and 2. No anomalies were recorded, which completely debunks that theory.
simion314 4y ago
>The russian government Does that government have any power? Or we can always substitute for correctness "Russian gov" with "Putin" and "Russian interests" with "Putin ambitions"

jdhn 4y ago

I personally believe this was a state actor who did it. If it was a SCADA system attack to overpressure the pipe, a state actor is the most likely culprit as SCADA knowledge isn't that common among laypeople. Personally, I think powerful explosives were used, at which point it'd definitely be a state actor because who else would have access to high power explosives, and then place them hundreds of feet below sea level next to a pipeline?

Ialdaboth 4y ago

My guess is the Russians did it because they were ashamed of all the leverage nordstream was giving them on the Germans and on Europe.

boringg 4y ago

Not enough flowrate for that - they had already stopped flowing through the pipeline.

standup 4y ago
Just speculating, what about causing a sudden increase in pressure, like a water hammer, but with gas? Any chance of that causing it to fail?
- Arrath 4y ago
  Chance? Possibly, but very unlikely. Causing it to fail, with the seismic signature that coincided with the failure? Impossible.

kornhole 4y ago

Increasing the pressure levels could not have produced such extensive damage. It was explosives. If Russia wanted to stop the flow, they could simply turn off the valves on their side rather than blow up their own infrastructure they spent billions to build.

vesinisa 4y ago

Come on. The only way to destroy 50 meters of pipeline is with explosives/weapons. Even if someone increased the pressure to a breaking point, it would cause a much smaller failure at a seam and the pressure would then stabilize. This is Putin playing power games. He wants so strike fear in the German public and cause public support for aiding Ukraine to falter. By failing to correctly attribute the actor behind this act of terror and spreading conspiracy theories you are only playing to the hand of that war-mongering dictator.

poopnugget 4y ago

mschuster91 4y ago

> Hacktivists or state actors attacking the SCADA systems and increasing the pressure to levels that it's not built to handle? Such an overpressure would have been detected (and in the worst case, mitigated by flaring or outright venting) at the German entry points of NordStream 1 and 2. No anomalies were recorded, which completely debunks that theory.

simion314 4y ago

>The russian government Does that government have any power? Or we can always substitute for correctness "Russian gov" with "Putin" and "Russian interests" with "Putin ambitions"