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I get why they do it. Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate, and experience tells that December will be w
by dividedbyzero 4y ago
I get why they do it. Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate, and experience tells that December will be worse, so their event would almost certainly be severely downsized or altogether disallowed by the authorities. Renewed Covid restrictions are already being debated in German politics with the general expectation being that some restrictions like masks and less or no large events will be imposed. Can't do an event at their scale in such an environment, not to speak of pricing issues due to energy etc. that they didn't even go into, but that will almost certainly have played a role as well. All of this really, really sucks.
It's a bit sad that they (apparently?) won't be doing a remote replacement, though. I realize you can't do a proper Congress remotely, but having some of the nice things (like the talks) sure beats having none. Not sure how exactly those decentralized events will shape out, but their announcement reads like they're focusing on the in-person elements, so I have to assume they'll be like hackerspace open-door events that cater to the locals.
- kuschku 4y agoThere will likely be a remote event again, in the style of rc3, but it won't be a congress in the way the 37c3 would have been.
- zichy 4y agoThere won't be _one_ remote event again, but multiple decentralized ones.
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- happyopossum 4y ago> Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate I'm not seeing any evidence anywhere that there were 'dangerous' rates of hospitalizations, unless you consider any increase 'dangerous'. Have any facts to back that up, or is it hyperbole?
- nivenkos 4y agoAll I could find was https://www.tagesspiegel.de/die-patienten-stapeln-sich-in-den-fluren-ist-das-oktoberfest-schuld-8750251.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/die-patienten-stapeln-sich-in-de... Which is far from convincing. You can bet the government will jump on it to suppress the growing energy crisis, anti-war and cost-of-living protests though.
- dividedbyzero 4y agoJust going off reporting in German media, I remember one statement by Minister for Health Lauterbach that hospitalizations were increasing faster than in previous waves and a couple of reports that Munich hospitals were getting ready to implement their contingency plans, shed patients to other districts etc. That did sound like a dangerous rate of increase to me, but I didn't fact-check any of this.
- MrBuddyCasino 4y agoLauterbach is known for making unserious and hyperbolic claims unmoored from scientific fact. A simple minded fool desperately trying to seem smart.
- bhaak 4y agoHow about the hospitals opting out of handling emergency cases? https://twitter.com/dokhollidays/status/1582013255106498560 https://twitter.com/dokhollidays/status/1582013255106498560
- happyopossum 4y agoI think the past few years have shown that an unsubstantiated twitter thread is worthy of much credence - especially in light of a significant lack of traditional reporting on the topic.
- bhaak 4y agoHow is it unsubstantiated if the tweet cites its sources? The Brandbrief can also easily be googled. The traditional reporting sucks. This year there was a strike in hospitals in NRW and the traditional media mostly reported about it after it finished after 77 days. I agree, a tweet on its own doesn't prove much. But I've been following some accounts that work in hospitals for a while now and I noticed a change in tone. I would be extra careful right now not to get yourself into an emergency situation. The problem is you only notice how bad the situation is if you work there or you need some services.