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But see I don't think think what your saying contradicts the above post. If our subset intersects with the alien subset of perception, then we both will have a

But see I don't think think what your saying contradicts the above post. If our subset intersects with the alien subset of perception, then we both will have a perception of an underlying truth, and we could conceivably understand the alien models and vice versa because they address the same subject.

rendall 4y ago
UP said that mathematics is universal. I believe it models only our perception and understanding, which are informed by our biological, evolutionary imperatives. Reality itself is beyond us. All that we have at our disposal are our perceptions, which is what we are modeling when we "do math". Mathematics is not universal, it's a language that we use to communicate what we perceive to other humans. It's speculative, whether an alien species, with a perceptual and cognitive system evolved entirely elsewhere under other pressures, would have an understanding that intersects with our subset of reality. I personally think it's unlikely. What that would mean is that we wouldn't be able to communicate, never mind trade technology and mathematical ideas.
- dbsmith83 4y ago
  > It's speculative, whether an alien species, with a perceptual and cognitive system evolved entirely elsewhere under other pressures, would have an understanding that intersects with our subset of reality. I personally think it's unlikely. What that would mean is that we wouldn't be able to communicate, never mind trade technology and mathematical ideas. I mean, maybe, but this is conveniently unprovable, much like the flying spaghetti monster, since you are saying we could not communicate because our slices of reality don't intersect. I disagree and think that most likely we would live in a reality that was largely the same, but I guess we'll never know!
  - rendall 4y ago
    > this is conveniently unprovable Perhaps. I was responding to the assertion that Mathematics exist independently of biology or perception of reality which is at least as unprovable

rendall 4y ago

UP said that mathematics is universal. I believe it models only our perception and understanding, which are informed by our biological, evolutionary imperatives. Reality itself is beyond us. All that we have at our disposal are our perceptions, which is what we are modeling when we "do math". Mathematics is not universal, it's a language that we use to communicate what we perceive to other humans. It's speculative, whether an alien species, with a perceptual and cognitive system evolved entirely elsewhere under other pressures, would have an understanding that intersects with our subset of reality. I personally think it's unlikely. What that would mean is that we wouldn't be able to communicate, never mind trade technology and mathematical ideas.

dbsmith83 4y ago
> It's speculative, whether an alien species, with a perceptual and cognitive system evolved entirely elsewhere under other pressures, would have an understanding that intersects with our subset of reality. I personally think it's unlikely. What that would mean is that we wouldn't be able to communicate, never mind trade technology and mathematical ideas. I mean, maybe, but this is conveniently unprovable, much like the flying spaghetti monster, since you are saying we could not communicate because our slices of reality don't intersect. I disagree and think that most likely we would live in a reality that was largely the same, but I guess we'll never know!
- rendall 4y ago
  > this is conveniently unprovable Perhaps. I was responding to the assertion that Mathematics exist independently of biology or perception of reality which is at least as unprovable