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The page said "Yes"; the page is wrong. The new Chancellor of the Exchequer is not under Truss's control, he's under the control of men in grey suits. If Truss

The page said "Yes"; the page is wrong. The new Chancellor of the Exchequer is not under Truss's control, he's under the control of men in grey suits. If Truss doesn't control cabinet ministers, she isn't the Prime Minister. We have no government; we need a General Election immediately. This is a very dangerous situation.

atoav 4y ago
[citation needed]
jemmyw 4y ago
It's not dangerous. Other countries have managed with their parliamentary system out of action for extended amounts of time. That's the point of having strong institutions and a civil service. The Tories haven't totally destroyed that yet, despite their efforts.
- depr 4y ago
  Indeed Belgium was without (elected) government for 652 days in 2018 - 2020.
  - denton-scratch 4y ago
    The Belgian government system is quite different from the UK system.
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  But it's not just the parliamentary system that's out of action; it's the government. The nominal head of the government is obviously a dead duck. The tune the chancellor is playing is being called by the Bank of England (and others unnamed), none of whom was elected, and none of whose policy preferences have been presented to the public, let alone approved. This would be a fantastic moment to stage a coup. And there are generals in-post who evidently favour something like that. But who knows - maybe it's already happened. I think it's dangerous.
  - jemmyw 4y ago
    I still don't understand why you think it's dangerous. Government sets policy. Even when they make changes it takes time for policy decisions to actually take effect. The civil service and bureaucracy will continue with the previous policies until the government gets its act together. There's no problem until budget time. Quite frankly it's probably less dangerous if the Tories stop doing any governing for a little while. > The tune the chancellor is playing is being called by the Bank of England (and others unnamed), none of whom was elected, and none of whose policy preferences have been presented to the public, let alone approved. As is always the case. That's a deeper issue and not anything to do with the current crisis, you've just seen the covers pulled back for 5 minutes.
- smcl 4y ago
  If you want things like the UK's National Health Service to exist, it is pretty dangerous to have someone like Jeremy Hunt wielding this kind of power. The situation might not wreck or bankrupt the country outright, but it opens the door for all manner of public services to be gutted
implements 4y ago
Only dangerous if you think she’s going to go rogue with one of her Prerogative powers, which is unlikely given it appears she’s under close supervision by the Parliamentary Conservative Party.
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  > she’s under close supervision by the Parliamentary Conservative Party. Interesting. Only 20% of the PCP voted for her, yet she's nominally PM. Reportedly many conservative MPs are considering crossing the floor. Others are trying to figure out how to get her to hand-over to someone else (who?) without another leadership election, and especially without letting the party members have any say. How are the PCP supposed to keep her "under close supervision"?
- drcongo 4y ago
  She’s under close supervision of the Tufton Street lot, not the PCP.

atoav 4y ago

[citation needed]

jemmyw 4y ago

It's not dangerous. Other countries have managed with their parliamentary system out of action for extended amounts of time. That's the point of having strong institutions and a civil service. The Tories haven't totally destroyed that yet, despite their efforts.

depr 4y ago
Indeed Belgium was without (elected) government for 652 days in 2018 - 2020.
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  The Belgian government system is quite different from the UK system.
denton-scratch 4y ago
But it's not just the parliamentary system that's out of action; it's the government. The nominal head of the government is obviously a dead duck. The tune the chancellor is playing is being called by the Bank of England (and others unnamed), none of whom was elected, and none of whose policy preferences have been presented to the public, let alone approved. This would be a fantastic moment to stage a coup. And there are generals in-post who evidently favour something like that. But who knows - maybe it's already happened. I think it's dangerous.
- jemmyw 4y ago
  I still don't understand why you think it's dangerous. Government sets policy. Even when they make changes it takes time for policy decisions to actually take effect. The civil service and bureaucracy will continue with the previous policies until the government gets its act together. There's no problem until budget time. Quite frankly it's probably less dangerous if the Tories stop doing any governing for a little while. > The tune the chancellor is playing is being called by the Bank of England (and others unnamed), none of whom was elected, and none of whose policy preferences have been presented to the public, let alone approved. As is always the case. That's a deeper issue and not anything to do with the current crisis, you've just seen the covers pulled back for 5 minutes.
smcl 4y ago
If you want things like the UK's National Health Service to exist, it is pretty dangerous to have someone like Jeremy Hunt wielding this kind of power. The situation might not wreck or bankrupt the country outright, but it opens the door for all manner of public services to be gutted

implements 4y ago

Only dangerous if you think she’s going to go rogue with one of her Prerogative powers, which is unlikely given it appears she’s under close supervision by the Parliamentary Conservative Party.

denton-scratch 4y ago
> she’s under close supervision by the Parliamentary Conservative Party. Interesting. Only 20% of the PCP voted for her, yet she's nominally PM. Reportedly many conservative MPs are considering crossing the floor. Others are trying to figure out how to get her to hand-over to someone else (who?) without another leadership election, and especially without letting the party members have any say. How are the PCP supposed to keep her "under close supervision"?
drcongo 4y ago
She’s under close supervision of the Tufton Street lot, not the PCP.