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>It has never taken me more than a few minutes to go through security in a train station in China. You're exaggerating here. I lived in China for years and I c

>It has never taken me more than a few minutes to go through security in a train station in China. You're exaggerating here. I lived in China for years and I can guarantee you it took me NEVER just few minutes to pass through all checks. But if you visited tier 88 shithole I can see how it's not comparable with Beijing experience. > In European airports, it can take a good hour to go through security and get to your gate, if you arrive at a busy time. Hahahah, I just traveled in peak summer season clusterfuck this year and it took me for sure less than 10 minutes to pass through automated ticket gate and immigration check for non schengen flight to get to my security gate at boarding, all while at extremely crowded airport. I can't only imagine what experience it would be off season on Schengen flight. > However, on a route like Beijing-Shanghai (just over 4 hours), most people would choose to take the train. Yeah no, I also travelled this route for work few times, each time rather took flight for comparable price than slow train plus the HSR train station is further from city than old airport (which has maglev). So much faster and more comfortable experience for pretty much same price. > Yes, the German model of open platforms without ticket checks is nicer than the Chinese model of ticket checks in front of the platform, but let's not exaggerate here. Just out of curiosity how many years have you lived in China? Because I am not exagerating here. No delays. ROFL It must been my imagination to be stuck in middle of nowhere in train for hours, but I guess whether you travel 20 or 25 hours does not make much of an difference in the end, right... Unless you are going towards the most famous tier 1 cities delay was standard with slow trains, for sure worse than European trains at same time. It was well known fact in China trains towards Beijing had always priority because can't arrive in Beijing with delay to lose face, meanwhile facing opposite direction like Xian or Chengdu NGAF.

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
These are two different walkthroughs of Guangzhou South Station: [0][1]. Guangzhou is a 1st tier city, of course, not a "tier 88 sh&!/%)@." The line for security is about 10 people, and it's not nearly as strict as at an airport. You put your bag on the conveyor belt, you walk through the metal detector, someone waves a wand over you, and you pick up your bag on the other side. You could get unlucky and arrive at an extremely busy time, but it's nowhere near as bad as an airport. > Hahahah, I just traveled in peak summer season clusterfuck this year and it took me for sure less than 10 minutes to pass through automated ticket gate and immigration check for non schengen flight to get to my security gate at boarding, all while at extremely crowded airport. It often takes 10 minutes just to walk from security to the gate. Security can easily add on an additional hour on a bad day. 10 minutes from the curb to your gate is unheard of, unless you're running the whole way and cutting to the front of lines. > the HSR train station is further from city than old airport (which has maglev) It's 40 minutes from Hongqiao railway station to Nanjing Road (East), in downtown Shanghai. It takes the same amount of time from Pudong Airport to Nanjing Road (East), even if you take the maglev (because the maglev only takes you half of the way). Suffice it to say that I've traveled enough in China and in Europe to have an idea of the typical train delays. The situation in Germany is markedly worse. Official on-time performance for long-distance trains in Germany is about 60%,[2] and I think that there's a bit of creative accounting going on to even reach that number. 0. https://youtu.be/RIhseWP2LQQ?t=594 https://youtu.be/RIhseWP2LQQ?t=594 1. https://youtu.be/mo5CSafdwNA?t=172 https://youtu.be/mo5CSafdwNA?t=172 2. Click on "DB Fernferkehr" here: https://www.deutschebahn.com/de/konzern/konzernprofil/zahlen_fakten/puenktlichkeitswerte-6878476 https://www.deutschebahn.com/de/konzern/konzernprofil/zahlen...

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago

These are two different walkthroughs of Guangzhou South Station: [0][1]. Guangzhou is a 1st tier city, of course, not a "tier 88 sh&!/%)@." The line for security is about 10 people, and it's not nearly as strict as at an airport. You put your bag on the conveyor belt, you walk through the metal detector, someone waves a wand over you, and you pick up your bag on the other side. You could get unlucky and arrive at an extremely busy time, but it's nowhere near as bad as an airport. > Hahahah, I just traveled in peak summer season clusterfuck this year and it took me for sure less than 10 minutes to pass through automated ticket gate and immigration check for non schengen flight to get to my security gate at boarding, all while at extremely crowded airport. It often takes 10 minutes just to walk from security to the gate. Security can easily add on an additional hour on a bad day. 10 minutes from the curb to your gate is unheard of, unless you're running the whole way and cutting to the front of lines. > the HSR train station is further from city than old airport (which has maglev) It's 40 minutes from Hongqiao railway station to Nanjing Road (East), in downtown Shanghai. It takes the same amount of time from Pudong Airport to Nanjing Road (East), even if you take the maglev (because the maglev only takes you half of the way). Suffice it to say that I've traveled enough in China and in Europe to have an idea of the typical train delays. The situation in Germany is markedly worse. Official on-time performance for long-distance trains in Germany is about 60%,[2] and I think that there's a bit of creative accounting going on to even reach that number. 0. https://youtu.be/RIhseWP2LQQ?t=594 https://youtu.be/RIhseWP2LQQ?t=594 1. https://youtu.be/mo5CSafdwNA?t=172 https://youtu.be/mo5CSafdwNA?t=172 2. Click on "DB Fernferkehr" here: https://www.deutschebahn.com/de/konzern/konzernprofil/zahlen_fakten/puenktlichkeitswerte-6878476 https://www.deutschebahn.com/de/konzern/konzernprofil/zahlen...