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Absolutely agreed. Electric cars are for the rich. And of course they say it's the future and everyone should do it, without realizing it's literally impossib
by silisili 4y ago
Absolutely agreed.
Electric cars are for the rich. And of course they say it's the future and everyone should do it, without realizing it's literally impossible. No grid in the US could come close to handling that, much less in developing countries.
Not to mention due to range limitations, many people and companies are ruled out automatically.
I don't think electric is bad, or should go away. But it's not meant for the masses. I think H has a brighter future worldwide.
- avtolik 4y agoThere are so many false statements in your post, I don't even know where to start. The grid absolutely can handle EVs. The range of modern EVs is totally fine for almost all cases. The price is an issue, but even in my poor Eastern European country the number of EV exploded this year. Mainly second hand small city cars, but also others.
- silisili 4y agoThe same grid that can't handle heat waves without begging people to turn off AC, and even then having rolling blackouts, can handle everyone charging at night or after work at the same time, too? Almost everyone in the midwest and mountain west considers a 3 hr (one way) drive a normalish weekly or monthly event. Sure, it's not most people, but it's not some tiny outlier. I'm completely fine with being made a fool of, but I'm going to need more than 'yeah, it can do it.'
- saagarjha 4y agoAbsolutely. The reason the grid begs you to turn off your AC is because you do it at 4 PM when there isn't enough power. EVs charge at night when demand is low.
- Jtype 4y agodemand won't be low if that's when everyone is charging their EVs. lol
- organsnyder 4y agoTime-of-use pricing combined with scheduled charging solves this, and is already widely available.
- readthenotes1 4y ago"The grid absolutely can handle EVs." Maybe yours can. In California, they were recently asked to not charge cars during certain times of the day because the power system could not support the additional load. My understanding is that California's grid could have supported the load, they just weren't able to generate the electricity required to do so.
- avtolik 4y agoAlmost all EV owners are charging them during the night, when the electricity demand is lower. And ok, maybe some upgrades will be needed in some places. But the situation is not so dark as the person above described it.
- silisili 4y agoKeep in mind, if my math is right, CA is at like 6% electric vehicle saturation. So basically multiply that load they claim not to be able to handle by 16.
- cycrutchfield 4y agoThe vast majority of home EV charging happens at night. Is that when CA was telling people not to charge their cars?
- silisili 4y agoWould America even function if gas stations were only open at night?
- cycrutchfield 4y agoIf you could fill up your gas tank in your garage, probably most people would be just fine.
- Defitio 4y agoHuh? Are you not cooking? Our stove needs 1kw and our oven has 6kw. It's not crashing when everyone is cooking why would it crash when everyone is charging? Also it costs more (energy wise) to make H and then consume it than using the energy itself. This should probably has a relevant cost saving. Economy of scale will bring much cheaper batteries very soon. Let's say 10-20 years
- silisili 4y agoCooking is super bursty, and at variable times, and for short durations. And even then, varies by day. It's not at all the same as everyone on planet earth in the same hemisphere trying to charge their cars during peak summer AC time, between 4 and 6ish pm.
- cycrutchfield 4y ago> everyone on planet earth in the same hemisphere trying to charge their cars during peak summer AC time Why do you keep parroting this nonsense? Virtually nobody charges their car at this time
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- silisili 4y agoI don't see how it's nonsense. Everyone keeps saying 'at night', but more realistically for most people, when they get home from work.
- socialismisok 4y agoHydrogen is less energy per volume than gas, it requires pressure vessels rather than tanks, it's stored pressurized in vehicles and stations, it makes materials it contacts brittle, it relies on a manufacturing process that either requires natural gas production or a huge excess of electrical energy, fuel stations are huge capital costs, etc. I could go on, but it just doesn't make sense to pin hopes on hydrogen.
- bhhaskin 4y agoThe exact same thing can be said about EVs and then some. Batteries are less energy per volume than gas. Batteries are extremely hazardous if damaged. They have a relatively short lifespan. They are hardcore industrial hazardous waste. Power generation is likely coming from a gas power plant or even a coal power plant. The required infrastructure upgrades would be astronomical.
- cycrutchfield 4y ago> Power generation is likely coming from a gas power plant or even a coal power plant. A significantly more efficient plant than an ICE.