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After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a h

by keyle 4y ago

After years of using IntelliJ I finally moved to VSCode. IntelliJ simply could do C/C++ but they chose to push people towards a new IDE... C Lion. That was a huge blow for me, a polyglot. Then I had a couple of bug opened with them... it took years for them to fix it. Except they marked it as fixed and it was indeed not fixed... Years later! I kept paying until that point, I just couldn't do it anymore. The company is a victim of its own success if you ask me. And that's a shame. VSCode isn't perfect, but it does 90% of what IntelliJ does, and arguably 40% of it better. Also VSCode is faster which still boggles my mind as to how that's possible. I suppose the buttload of cash that Microsoft has thrown at it probably helps there... Since IntelliJ went through their "milliseconds latency blabla" years ago, it's gone downhill. I imagine that retina pixel displays + java 2nd class child on the macOS platform = big oof (pre-metal). I dream of a native vscode-like IDE...

TylerE 4y ago
Huh? If you buy the full IntelliJ you get all the modules. It’s no different than running CLion.
- happymellon 4y ago
  That and you can use the different apps to sandbox the plugins so you aren't loading unused ones for each project!
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  Nope, you don't get everything. I don't use CLion, so I don't know what all the differences are, but for the Rust plugin, CLion gets more functionality than IntelliJ: https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust#compatible-ides https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust#compatible-id... I understand the same goes for yet a third branch, which is .Net, and possibly a fourth, which is AppCode. But I don't have any contact with those ecosystems, so don't really know.
- DominoTree 4y ago
  When did that happen? For a long time you couldn't, say, install the "CLion module" in IntellJ - it simply didn't exist in their plugin repos.
- wiseowise 4y ago
  Not with CLion.
pojzon 4y ago
Reminds me of Terraform plugin that broke after 0.11 they „fixed it”, yet I still get notifications about new ppl commenting how its again broken in newer version. You had one job JetBrains -> speed up developers. I dont need half of the features available. Terminal does a better job at most of them and will never change. But for the stuff I need and is used by millions if not tens of millions of developers.. just keep it working. I feel like its slowly the time to move to VSCode. An army of JS Devs will keep on updating it.
fn1 4y ago
> Also VSCode is faster which still boggles my mind as to how that's possible. They do a lot of smart engineering around the editor: https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2018/03/23/text-buffer-reimplementation https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2018/03/23/text-buffer-r...
invalidname 4y ago
I use VSCode a lot and can say that for my specific use cases, it's still a decade behind or more. The debugger in VScode isn't even in the ballgame. I found the slack support for JetBrains to be absolutely fantastic. Super helpful and very technical. Having written plugins for both VSCode and JetBrains I prefer the latter but I have a heavy Java bias. I agree that the multi-IDE strategy is problematic. They usually offer an option to just install plugins but with CLion they kind of dropped the ball. Which is surprising because I run their rust plugin on IntelliJ and it works well. Hopefully they'll address that too.
MrRiddle 4y ago
JodieBenitez 4y ago
> does 90% of what IntelliJ does, and arguably 40% of it better What if those remaining 10% are essential to your productivity ? Like, will it autocomplete in my Django projects the way Pycharm does with models, up to their relations ? If so I may give it a try.
- keyle 4y ago
  Parts of the debugger I miss.
- bredren 4y ago
  Pycharm has always been great at Django. But it’s autocomplete, even for project specific stuff is now superseded by copilot.
  - JodieBenitez 4y ago
    Well... thanks but no !
wiseowise 4y ago
Being native has nothing to do with performance. XCode is native, and it is easily one of the slowest, dog shit IDEs you can think of.
- keyle 4y ago
  Wisdom from the wise. And you're correct. Still, it's possible.
pjmlp 4y ago
They don't support JNI development on purpose as means to sell Clion licenses, they are the only Java IDE not doing it.

by keyle 4y ago

TylerE 4y ago

Huh? If you buy the full IntelliJ you get all the modules. It’s no different than running CLion.

happymellon 4y ago
That and you can use the different apps to sandbox the plugins so you aren't loading unused ones for each project!
vladvasiliu 4y ago
Nope, you don't get everything. I don't use CLion, so I don't know what all the differences are, but for the Rust plugin, CLion gets more functionality than IntelliJ: https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust#compatible-ides https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust#compatible-id... I understand the same goes for yet a third branch, which is .Net, and possibly a fourth, which is AppCode. But I don't have any contact with those ecosystems, so don't really know.
DominoTree 4y ago
When did that happen? For a long time you couldn't, say, install the "CLion module" in IntellJ - it simply didn't exist in their plugin repos.
wiseowise 4y ago
Not with CLion.

pojzon 4y ago

Reminds me of Terraform plugin that broke after 0.11 they „fixed it”, yet I still get notifications about new ppl commenting how its again broken in newer version. You had one job JetBrains -> speed up developers. I dont need half of the features available. Terminal does a better job at most of them and will never change. But for the stuff I need and is used by millions if not tens of millions of developers.. just keep it working. I feel like its slowly the time to move to VSCode. An army of JS Devs will keep on updating it.

fn1 4y ago

> Also VSCode is faster which still boggles my mind as to how that's possible. They do a lot of smart engineering around the editor: https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2018/03/23/text-buffer-reimplementation https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2018/03/23/text-buffer-r...

invalidname 4y ago

I use VSCode a lot and can say that for my specific use cases, it's still a decade behind or more. The debugger in VScode isn't even in the ballgame. I found the slack support for JetBrains to be absolutely fantastic. Super helpful and very technical. Having written plugins for both VSCode and JetBrains I prefer the latter but I have a heavy Java bias. I agree that the multi-IDE strategy is problematic. They usually offer an option to just install plugins but with CLion they kind of dropped the ball. Which is surprising because I run their rust plugin on IntelliJ and it works well. Hopefully they'll address that too.

MrRiddle 4y ago

JodieBenitez 4y ago

> does 90% of what IntelliJ does, and arguably 40% of it better What if those remaining 10% are essential to your productivity ? Like, will it autocomplete in my Django projects the way Pycharm does with models, up to their relations ? If so I may give it a try.

keyle 4y ago
Parts of the debugger I miss.
bredren 4y ago
Pycharm has always been great at Django. But it’s autocomplete, even for project specific stuff is now superseded by copilot.
- JodieBenitez 4y ago
  Well... thanks but no !

wiseowise 4y ago

Being native has nothing to do with performance. XCode is native, and it is easily one of the slowest, dog shit IDEs you can think of.

keyle 4y ago
Wisdom from the wise. And you're correct. Still, it's possible.

pjmlp 4y ago

They don't support JNI development on purpose as means to sell Clion licenses, they are the only Java IDE not doing it.