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I'm not even being cynical --- this to me reads like: Sure, we will eventually shove it down your throat whether you like it or not, so there's no need to worry

I'm not even being cynical --- this to me reads like: Sure, we will eventually shove it down your throat whether you like it or not, so there's no need to worry for the time being!

rob74 4y ago
Yes you are being cynical - what they write is: > The current UI will remain available for at least two years, and we’re not going to remove it until we’ve seen that the vast majority of our users have successfully made the switch to the new UI. this sounds like you have to actively switch to the new UI if you already have an older version installed, and that they will be monitoring how many users have made the switch. Only after the "vast majority" (>80% ?) have switched will they "shove it down the throat" of the other 20%. Well, let's see how this promise will hold up...
- dotancohen 4y ago
  > will remain available Sounds to me that it will not be the default. And their is a time-honoured trick in our industry of hiding an option deep in the menus, to drive down adoption, to preclude removal of a feature. Not to mention how many bug reports with be followed up with "Try in the new UI" as their only reply. We've seen this with Firefox, LibreOffice, KDE, Gnome, and so many other once-useful software.
- _tom_ 4y ago
  What they have written is they are going to force a change. It's very clear. As soon as we have moved most people over, we will force you to move. You don't even have to read between the lines, it's explicit. "We won't force it for two years". We are gonna force it in two years. "We won't until the vast minority" we will as soon as most people have moved.
  - smilekzs 4y ago
    Exactly. See how Firefox shoved the borderless tabs down everyone's throat. The same playbook really.
  - oblio 4y ago
    Software developers as developers: "Why does that random guy still pay for v1??? It's 20 years old, using Java 5 and old crap, let's force them to upgrade!!!!" Software developers as users: "Don't force me to upgrade" The hypocrisy is tangible and close to mind boggling.
    - Spivak 4y ago
      As Devs: “I don’t want to maintain the old version. Don’t force work on me.” As Users: “I don’t want to upgrade to the new version. Don’t force work on me.” It’s not hypocritical to want your cake and eat it too. It’s only hypocritical if you think it’s wrong for companies to force people to upgrade and then doing that. Not liking when your parents forced you to eat vegetables and making your kids eat vegetables isn’t hypocrisy.
      - oblio 4y ago
        I don't have an accurate name for that, but it's not right, either.
blibble 4y ago
and at that point they stop getting my money (customer since 2010)

I'm not even being cynical --- this to me reads like: Sure, we will eventually shove it down your throat whether you like it or not, so there's no need to worry for the time being!

rob74 4y ago

Yes you are being cynical - what they write is: > The current UI will remain available for at least two years, and we’re not going to remove it until we’ve seen that the vast majority of our users have successfully made the switch to the new UI. this sounds like you have to actively switch to the new UI if you already have an older version installed, and that they will be monitoring how many users have made the switch. Only after the "vast majority" (>80% ?) have switched will they "shove it down the throat" of the other 20%. Well, let's see how this promise will hold up...

dotancohen 4y ago
> will remain available Sounds to me that it will not be the default. And their is a time-honoured trick in our industry of hiding an option deep in the menus, to drive down adoption, to preclude removal of a feature. Not to mention how many bug reports with be followed up with "Try in the new UI" as their only reply. We've seen this with Firefox, LibreOffice, KDE, Gnome, and so many other once-useful software.
_tom_ 4y ago
What they have written is they are going to force a change. It's very clear. As soon as we have moved most people over, we will force you to move. You don't even have to read between the lines, it's explicit. "We won't force it for two years". We are gonna force it in two years. "We won't until the vast minority" we will as soon as most people have moved.
- smilekzs 4y ago
  Exactly. See how Firefox shoved the borderless tabs down everyone's throat. The same playbook really.
- oblio 4y ago
  Software developers as developers: "Why does that random guy still pay for v1??? It's 20 years old, using Java 5 and old crap, let's force them to upgrade!!!!" Software developers as users: "Don't force me to upgrade" The hypocrisy is tangible and close to mind boggling.
  - Spivak 4y ago
    As Devs: “I don’t want to maintain the old version. Don’t force work on me.” As Users: “I don’t want to upgrade to the new version. Don’t force work on me.” It’s not hypocritical to want your cake and eat it too. It’s only hypocritical if you think it’s wrong for companies to force people to upgrade and then doing that. Not liking when your parents forced you to eat vegetables and making your kids eat vegetables isn’t hypocrisy.
    - oblio 4y ago
      I don't have an accurate name for that, but it's not right, either.

blibble 4y ago

and at that point they stop getting my money (customer since 2010)