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Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not
by ftyhbhyjnjk 4y ago
Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea.
If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too.
Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing.
Even if you stop launching new features into your product for next few years, I'll still happily pay you folks just because your product is so damn perfect as of now.
Please don't ruin it. Forget what VSCode is doing. They are far far far behind you folks. Don't let THEM ruin your product.
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- neilpanchal 4y agoWe need to apply Chesterton's fence [1] in situations like this. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Chesterton%27s_fence https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Chesterton%27s_fence
- imron 4y ago> Forget what VSCode is doing. Except for remote development extension. Do that. It's the killer feature of VSCode.
- sverhagen 4y agoJetBrains has Code With Me, in case you hadn't seen that. I have no idea how they compare, though, so I don't mean this as a dismissal.
- suction 4y ago
- 9dev 4y agoThey do that, I’m playing with it now. Have a look at Jetbrains Gateway: https://www.jetbrains.com/remote-development/gateway/ https://www.jetbrains.com/remote-development/gateway/
- this_is_not_you 4y agoHow is it working for you? I tried the beta version last year and I was not impressed. Is it worth trying again?
- marcolussetti 4y agoI found the performance very poor and had to discontinue using it. It permanently pinned 4 cores on the remote server where VS Code used <0.25 (codebase was a very small Django app)
- philliphaydon 4y agoI tried out fleet last night and it worked amazingly well.
- GordonS 4y agoDoes it work with Rider yet? At launch it didn't, something to do with Rider using (or not, I forget!) an out of process language server.
- easton 4y agoIt’s supposed to work (like, it’s an option in Rider’s project selection), but it can’t find MSBuild in the WSL. I’m guessing you’d have better luck if you just spun up a normal Linux VM though.
- gorjusborg 4y agoI'll admit I haven't looked recently, but last time I looked, it felt like Jetbrains didn't quite get my use cases for remote development. I don't want to install/manage any infrastructure at all. I just want to connect via ssh to a fresh box and have it work. If that isn't possible, back to the drawing board.
- this_is_not_you 4y agoLast time I tried remote development with PyCharm was when they released their "Remote development" beta in version 2021.3 [1]. It was a bad experience. Before that they only had some complicated sync workaround for remote development which I could not get used to. I gave up on remote development with PyCharm and went with VSCode. Based on your comment it seems they still haven't figured it out? [1] https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/whatsnew/2021-3/#remote-development-support https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/whatsnew/2021-3/#remote-de...
- dotancohen 4y ago> Except for remote development extension. And the roads.
- sgt 4y agoWhy would one do remote development with laptops being as powerful as they are today (think: the raw power of an M1 Mac Book Air even).
- shitlord 4y agoBecause my ec2 dev server is even more powerful, and I can easily upgrade the hardware configuration without spending $1k on a new laptop. I never really appreciated a remote dev server until I had to work on a behemoth Java project and then a behemoth C++ project. Having the extra memory and the extra cores is great. Never having to worry about your laptop heating up or having your battery die due to CPU load is even better.
- sgt 4y agoI guess if your IDE is as responsive as anything else locally and only the compiling and runtime happens in the cloud it might be somewhat pleasant to work with. But what if you decide to do something from a coffee shop and the WiFi is super laggy. Or doing something while traveling etc. I like to know that my dev station is independent of an Internet connection.
- suchar 4y agoWith crappy Internet connection you still can do remote development (it doesn't take much bandwidth, after all it's mostly text). But what if you need to download dependencies/docker images or upload e.g. docker image? With a remote development you can offload that to a beefy server with gigabit connection.
- sgt 4y agoThat is indeed a good point.
- nigerianbrince 4y ago7950x
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- selfhoster11 4y agoThis is literally the only reason I use VS Code right now.
- happymellon 4y agoOn the flip side, the only thing I want Jetbrains to do is implement proper UI scaling. I want to be able to hit Command+Plus and scale up the whole interface for presenting something to the team or when I have to code pair with someone who doesn't have as large of a monitor as I do. Presentation mode is an absolute mess, and does not help with code pairing or code review presentations, and font scaling only affects the one file and not all the fonts, so the project navigation is still small and I have to repeat it for every file and again in reverse to reset it. And the best past is, they could do it without impacting anyone else who doesn't need it, unlike this proposal.
- sylv3r 4y ago> On the flip side, the only thing I want Jetbrains to do is implement proper UI scaling. Oh man I'm still mad that if I want to present my Jetbrains IDE screen and make it readable, I have to change 2 fonts, one for the editor, one for the interface.
- happymellon 4y agoIt's nice that it's being an accepted point of view this time. Usually I get a lot of aggressive responses about how I don't understand presentation mode. I do, and it's crap.
- jen20 4y agoBy contrast, I only want the content to scale, and actively cannot stand entire UIs scaling and looking and feeling like web pages. If this was ever implemented, it would need an opt-out to please us both.
- happymellon 4y agoWhich is fine. As I already mentioned, even if they just had a text scaling which applied to all the editors so I didn't have to keep doing it every time I opened a file that would be a massive QOL improvement.
- nimchimpsky 4y ago
- marginalia_nu 4y ago> Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. Fascinating. Their flat, contrast-less and confusing UI is one of my biggest chafing points with their product. If I want to resize an UI element, I often have to make several guesses before I find the right border, let alone pixel.
- nikanj 4y agoWhat are the odds of a redesign adding color / borders / 3d? The UI fashion is still trending towards a uniform single-colored surface. Hard to imagine them adding borders, let alone color
- marginalia_nu 4y agoProbably not great, but still by necessity better than the odds of the UI improving while not changing at all.
- jeroenhd 4y agoTheir UI may be a bit low contrast out of the box (there are themes to fix that, luckily) but if you have a problem with it now, the new UI looks much worse. All the colors are gone and all the icons are now bland shapes. It looks like they're copying VS Code's UI style which is a huge step backwards in my opinion. This UI minimalism looks great on paper but it's terribly confusing to actually work with and it can take weeks to get around it through sheer brute force and muscle memory. I agree that their UI needs an overhaul but this isn't the solution.
- biofox 4y agoFlat UIs, icons with no text, and countless undocumented features are the reasons I now hate using computers. The mental overhead in trying to learn and remember what to click to achieve what I want is exhausting, and somehow, in far too many apps, there's no way to look-up what the shortcut keys are.
- danwee 4y agoIndeed. I think they are trying to imitate VSCode UI... which in my opinion sucks big time.
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