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I'd be with you if these devices weren't hundreds of dollars with obsolescence lifetime treadmills measured in the ones of years and bound to a duopoly of corpo

I'd be with you if these devices weren't hundreds of dollars with obsolescence lifetime treadmills measured in the ones of years and bound to a duopoly of corporate-controlled ecosystems that require opting in to onerous contract terms. Just a few of those factors might not be so bad but with all of them it could become impossible to do legally-required things like buying car insurance without being effectively legally required to look at Google ads. Or renewing your passport without agreeing to a software EULA that forbids you from ever suing Apple for leaking your private data. All of this "it's just opting in to societal progress" crap is why Experian even ever had your data to leak[1] it in the first place, and why Google and Braze and every other tech company has it too. 0: https://i.imgur.com/dgGvgKF.png https://i.imgur.com/dgGvgKF.png 1: https://threatpost.com/experian-api-leaks-american-credit-scores/165731/ https://threatpost.com/experian-api-leaks-american-credit-sc...

warkdarrior 4y ago
You can buy a pair of shoes and a smartphone for about the same amount of money (pick your number!) and they'll wear out in about the same amount of time.
- rendang 4y ago
  I usually buy $20-$50 shoes, not a lot of new smartphones in that price range
  - bombcar 4y ago
    And if you’re poor you can find workable shoes at a thrift store for a few bucks. Finding a workable cellphone cheap is more difficult.
    - ketralnis 4y ago
      that will be supported for security updates too
    - scarface74 4y ago
      You can buy an unlocked Android phone for $50 unsubsidized. There are plenty of places that offer cheap phones for the poor https://www.reviews.org/mobile/how-to-get-free-government-cell-phones/ https://www.reviews.org/mobile/how-to-get-free-government-ce...
      - LtWorf 4y ago
        If it doesn't get security updates, you really can't do online paying/banking with it.
        scarface74 4y ago
        That’s mostly true for any Android phone after a year or two - or sometimes never. All Android phones have shitty long term support - even the Pixels. Of course iPhones are a different story with Apple releasing a security update for the 2013 iPhone 5s as recently as June of this year. But I’m not going to suggest an iPhone as an alternative. On the other hand, developing countries manage with $30 unsubsidized phones and people use them for banking.
        iggldiggl 4y ago
        > If it doesn't get security updates, you really can't do online paying/banking with it. Maybe you shouldn't, but in terms of pure ability you perfectly well can. (And somewhat ironically, if you take matters into your own hands and update the OS yourself, quite a few banking apps will then refuse to run for "security reasons", while at the same time they're absolutely happy to run on an outdated OS version.)
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You definitely can. https://a.co/d/imNpbBS https://a.co/d/imNpbBS
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- john_the_writer 4y ago
  Where are you buying shoes that they cost over 500$. I purchased a pair of docs for about 300$, 10 years ago. Still wear them as my day to day shoes/boots.
- mellavora 4y ago
  Yes, the shoe-phone! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe_phone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe_phone

warkdarrior 4y ago

You can buy a pair of shoes and a smartphone for about the same amount of money (pick your number!) and they'll wear out in about the same amount of time.

rendang 4y ago
I usually buy $20-$50 shoes, not a lot of new smartphones in that price range
- bombcar 4y ago
  And if you’re poor you can find workable shoes at a thrift store for a few bucks. Finding a workable cellphone cheap is more difficult.
  - ketralnis 4y ago
    that will be supported for security updates too
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You can buy an unlocked Android phone for $50 unsubsidized. There are plenty of places that offer cheap phones for the poor https://www.reviews.org/mobile/how-to-get-free-government-cell-phones/ https://www.reviews.org/mobile/how-to-get-free-government-ce...
    - LtWorf 4y ago
      If it doesn't get security updates, you really can't do online paying/banking with it.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        That’s mostly true for any Android phone after a year or two - or sometimes never. All Android phones have shitty long term support - even the Pixels. Of course iPhones are a different story with Apple releasing a security update for the 2013 iPhone 5s as recently as June of this year. But I’m not going to suggest an iPhone as an alternative. On the other hand, developing countries manage with $30 unsubsidized phones and people use them for banking.
      - iggldiggl 4y ago
        > If it doesn't get security updates, you really can't do online paying/banking with it. Maybe you shouldn't, but in terms of pure ability you perfectly well can. (And somewhat ironically, if you take matters into your own hands and update the OS yourself, quite a few banking apps will then refuse to run for "security reasons", while at the same time they're absolutely happy to run on an outdated OS version.)
- scarface74 4y ago
  You definitely can. https://a.co/d/imNpbBS https://a.co/d/imNpbBS
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john_the_writer 4y ago
Where are you buying shoes that they cost over 500$. I purchased a pair of docs for about 300$, 10 years ago. Still wear them as my day to day shoes/boots.
mellavora 4y ago
Yes, the shoe-phone! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe_phone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe_phone