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Just because you don't understand an entire art-form and the industry attached to it, that doesn't make it all "garbage". Might as well go on to say that all m

Just because you don't understand an entire art-form and the industry attached to it, that doesn't make it all "garbage". Might as well go on to say that all modern art or modern cuisine is garbage, and sound just as ridiculous while doing so. Spoiler alert: weird artsy high-fashion pieces you see on runways are not expected to be sold or worn in real life. Just like visual design of concept cars isn't what's expected to actually drive on the roads.

spywaregorilla 4y ago
Doesn't make it good either though. A lot of "modern" art was artists claiming that traditional lenses and standards held too much authority and fuck off. We're going to do draw squares and they're going to be cool. Challenging "what does it mean to be good". Cool. A lot of "post modern" art is this idea that it doesn't matter what you think, fuck you, I made this thing and it may even feel purposefully bad, and if I say it's good, it's a valid perspective. Which is really just kind of a post truth drain on society if you ask me; and is a really toxic thing when it's driven by tribalism and mass media to claim "this is good because a lot of people are saying it's good". High end fashion is not very approachable to most people. A lot of it is just speaking back and forth within a very insular community. Most of it is absurd from the get go. Good art should be evocative of something. FWIW, Kanye's fashion to me seems like it wants me to call it bad. Dreary. Unattractive. Poor, but.. in a way that seems like its asking for victimization rather than express something about poverty. And for that I think it's actually bad.
- FireBeyond 4y ago
  Yup, whenever I hear that about fashion, for all the times I think that the GP's statement is accurate, there's also a Vetements story. Their line, they want to champion a more "pragmatic" approach to fashion, and "down to earth nature", compared to the big fashion houses. Demna Gvasalia and his friends all worked at LV, Balenciaga, Maison Margiela, etc. Vetements in reality? "Down to earth" $1200 track pants, $800 t-shirts, $500 baseball caps, $1500 hoodies. Given a choice between "trying to break down fashion to be more pragmatic, approachable and down to earth" and "we saw how much money the fashion houses made and we decided we wanted a bigger piece", I know which way I lean. Edit: in a fit of irony, Balenciaga offered him the role of Creative Director and he went there.
AlexandrB 4y ago
For "every day" fashion, the game is given away by the cyclical nature of fashion trends. What's popular today is approximately what was popular 20 years ago. It's a game of maintaining constant demand for new stuff in an industry where almost all of the practical problems were solved a century ago. High fashion is obviously a completely different beast. Something that has been pointed out to me recently is how "folk fashion" which focused on meticulous details like beading and cross-stitching was largely the pursuit of women, while modern "high fashion" that involves conceptual flourishes that are relatively simple to produce is more dominated by men. I'm not really sure what to make of this observation yet, but it is interesting. The treatment of workers in both "every day" fashion and high fashion is deplorable as well and is hard to look past if you're trying to keep an open mind.
gardenhedge 4y ago
You can buy into it and sound ridiculous while doing so

spywaregorilla 4y ago

Doesn't make it good either though. A lot of "modern" art was artists claiming that traditional lenses and standards held too much authority and fuck off. We're going to do draw squares and they're going to be cool. Challenging "what does it mean to be good". Cool. A lot of "post modern" art is this idea that it doesn't matter what you think, fuck you, I made this thing and it may even feel purposefully bad, and if I say it's good, it's a valid perspective. Which is really just kind of a post truth drain on society if you ask me; and is a really toxic thing when it's driven by tribalism and mass media to claim "this is good because a lot of people are saying it's good". High end fashion is not very approachable to most people. A lot of it is just speaking back and forth within a very insular community. Most of it is absurd from the get go. Good art should be evocative of something. FWIW, Kanye's fashion to me seems like it wants me to call it bad. Dreary. Unattractive. Poor, but.. in a way that seems like its asking for victimization rather than express something about poverty. And for that I think it's actually bad.

FireBeyond 4y ago
Yup, whenever I hear that about fashion, for all the times I think that the GP's statement is accurate, there's also a Vetements story. Their line, they want to champion a more "pragmatic" approach to fashion, and "down to earth nature", compared to the big fashion houses. Demna Gvasalia and his friends all worked at LV, Balenciaga, Maison Margiela, etc. Vetements in reality? "Down to earth" $1200 track pants, $800 t-shirts, $500 baseball caps, $1500 hoodies. Given a choice between "trying to break down fashion to be more pragmatic, approachable and down to earth" and "we saw how much money the fashion houses made and we decided we wanted a bigger piece", I know which way I lean. Edit: in a fit of irony, Balenciaga offered him the role of Creative Director and he went there.

AlexandrB 4y ago

For "every day" fashion, the game is given away by the cyclical nature of fashion trends. What's popular today is approximately what was popular 20 years ago. It's a game of maintaining constant demand for new stuff in an industry where almost all of the practical problems were solved a century ago. High fashion is obviously a completely different beast. Something that has been pointed out to me recently is how "folk fashion" which focused on meticulous details like beading and cross-stitching was largely the pursuit of women, while modern "high fashion" that involves conceptual flourishes that are relatively simple to produce is more dominated by men. I'm not really sure what to make of this observation yet, but it is interesting. The treatment of workers in both "every day" fashion and high fashion is deplorable as well and is hard to look past if you're trying to keep an open mind.

gardenhedge 4y ago

You can buy into it and sound ridiculous while doing so