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>Kanye is mentally ill and unable to manage his own affairs. What is the direct evidence of this? One such was, according to him, an occasion when "they handcu

>Kanye is mentally ill and unable to manage his own affairs. What is the direct evidence of this? One such was, according to him, an occasion when "they handcuffed him, drugged him, put him on the bed". Now despite this, I also don't agree with just handwaving the discussions then, like, oh he's mad, so everything strange thing he does must be because of that. I think that it's perfectly valid to be mentally ill on one hand, and a huge asshole on the other. A strong motivator for sure, but illness is not a character trait, mental or not. https://people.com/music/kanye-west-opens-up-about-bipolar-diagnosis-episode-handcuffed/ https://people.com/music/kanye-west-opens-up-about-bipolar-d... On a second thought, I'd also like to add that the human psyche is not a solved problem. An average outside observer absolutely can't tell if an out of place thing is because of illness, or something other than that. Even the "standard" way to recognize and classify mental disorders, the DSM-5, changes from one edition to the other.

diceduckmonk 4y ago
> Even the "standard" way to recognize and classify mental disorders, the DSM-5, changes from one edition to the other. Meaning, the definition of mental illness is within some social context or norm. Historically, homosexuality was deemed a mental illness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_DSM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_DSM
- npteljes 4y ago
  Absolutely, and also the field itself is constantly developing.
colpabar 4y ago
> One such was, according to him, an occasion when "they handcuffed him, drugged him, put him on the bed". This doesn't seem like good evidence. It assumes that whenever someone is forcibly restrained and medicated, it was justified. It also assumes that he wasn't exaggerating when he said this. You have also not provided a source of him saying this.
- npteljes 4y ago
  The link is the source, but he used the "you" pronoun and I rephrased it as "him". Sorry for the confusion, I probably need to do better on a public forum like this. Wikipedia also has a paragraph about it, if you'd like to dig into this topic further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Mental_health https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Mental_health Also I reject the assumption that I assumed that "whenever someone is forcibly restrained and medicated, it was justified". I haven't said this, and I only reported on his account on the happenings, because OP wanted evidence for mental illness, and I think that him recollecting that occurrence, while admitting that he was diagnosed bipolar, is good enough evidence.
  - bondarchuk 4y ago
    It's not evidence for "unable to manage his own affairs" in the present instance.
    - npteljes 4y ago
      It's not. I should have been clear about referring only to the mental issues part.

diceduckmonk 4y ago

> Even the "standard" way to recognize and classify mental disorders, the DSM-5, changes from one edition to the other. Meaning, the definition of mental illness is within some social context or norm. Historically, homosexuality was deemed a mental illness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_DSM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_DSM

npteljes 4y ago
Absolutely, and also the field itself is constantly developing.

colpabar 4y ago

> One such was, according to him, an occasion when "they handcuffed him, drugged him, put him on the bed". This doesn't seem like good evidence. It assumes that whenever someone is forcibly restrained and medicated, it was justified. It also assumes that he wasn't exaggerating when he said this. You have also not provided a source of him saying this.

npteljes 4y ago
The link is the source, but he used the "you" pronoun and I rephrased it as "him". Sorry for the confusion, I probably need to do better on a public forum like this. Wikipedia also has a paragraph about it, if you'd like to dig into this topic further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Mental_health https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Mental_health Also I reject the assumption that I assumed that "whenever someone is forcibly restrained and medicated, it was justified". I haven't said this, and I only reported on his account on the happenings, because OP wanted evidence for mental illness, and I think that him recollecting that occurrence, while admitting that he was diagnosed bipolar, is good enough evidence.
- bondarchuk 4y ago
  It's not evidence for "unable to manage his own affairs" in the present instance.
  - npteljes 4y ago
    It's not. I should have been clear about referring only to the mental issues part.