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We pay our teachers well in the US compared to our better-performing peers. And who doesn't respect teachers? More money isn't the solution.

hollandheese 4y ago
>We pay our teachers well in the US compared to our better-performing peers. And who doesn't respect teachers? Have you been to the US? Because most people here don't respect teachers. And we pay teachers almost nothing.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  > And we pay teachers almost nothing. That is largely not true, though certainly true in some cases. Teacher salaries are set by the local school district and range from "reasonable" to "not great". Overall, teachers make about $51,000/year while bachelor's degree holders as a whole make about $59,600/year. Against that, you have to recognize that the teacher pay is for nine months, while the bachelor's degree number is for twelve months. If the typical bachelor's degree holder worked only nine months, one would expect their salary to be about $44,700, considerably less than the typical teacher. Sources: https://mint.intuit.com/salary/teacher https://mint.intuit.com/salary/teacher https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cba https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cba
  - threatofrain 4y ago
    Many teachers have a masters, although places like Florida are looking to change that.
jelkand 4y ago
Teachers get a very superficial respect. They get lip service, but are not treated in accordance with the nominal respect they get.
- JackFr 4y ago
  Do you believe that the current cohort of teachers would better serve our students if they received more respect? Or do you believe that if the profession were more respected, it would attract a better, more qualified class of teacher, who could then better educate the students?
  - jelkand 4y ago
    I speak for myself, not the original comment, but more the latter than the former. I think of it this way: "What needs to change to make teaching children and young adults appealing compared to going into industry?" And, to be clear, I think teachers are generally qualified. Math just represents a very acute failure mode of our education system.
- pj_mukh 4y ago
  Honestly, they don't even get lip service anymore. Parents micro-managing and mistreating teachers made teaching the leading edge profession of the Great resignation.

hollandheese 4y ago

>We pay our teachers well in the US compared to our better-performing peers. And who doesn't respect teachers? Have you been to the US? Because most people here don't respect teachers. And we pay teachers almost nothing.

Turing_Machine 4y ago
> And we pay teachers almost nothing. That is largely not true, though certainly true in some cases. Teacher salaries are set by the local school district and range from "reasonable" to "not great". Overall, teachers make about $51,000/year while bachelor's degree holders as a whole make about $59,600/year. Against that, you have to recognize that the teacher pay is for nine months, while the bachelor's degree number is for twelve months. If the typical bachelor's degree holder worked only nine months, one would expect their salary to be about $44,700, considerably less than the typical teacher. Sources: https://mint.intuit.com/salary/teacher https://mint.intuit.com/salary/teacher https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cba https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cba
- threatofrain 4y ago
  Many teachers have a masters, although places like Florida are looking to change that.

jelkand 4y ago

Teachers get a very superficial respect. They get lip service, but are not treated in accordance with the nominal respect they get.

JackFr 4y ago
Do you believe that the current cohort of teachers would better serve our students if they received more respect? Or do you believe that if the profession were more respected, it would attract a better, more qualified class of teacher, who could then better educate the students?
- jelkand 4y ago
  I speak for myself, not the original comment, but more the latter than the former. I think of it this way: "What needs to change to make teaching children and young adults appealing compared to going into industry?" And, to be clear, I think teachers are generally qualified. Math just represents a very acute failure mode of our education system.
pj_mukh 4y ago
Honestly, they don't even get lip service anymore. Parents micro-managing and mistreating teachers made teaching the leading edge profession of the Great resignation.