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If I think jews control the world and I calmly discuss it, present circumstantial evidence, etc would that be acceptable? Sure I'm using offense terms but that

If I think jews control the world and I calmly discuss it, present circumstantial evidence, etc would that be acceptable? Sure I'm using offense terms but that's not as bad as claiming they control the world. Or if I thought slavery should be brought back but I don't use the n word. Is that really the issue?

mariusor 4y ago
I personally would dismiss you as a lunatic and racist in both cases and move on with my day. However I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to make a fool of yourself if you so choose. Making you feel like a martyr because you are being "censored" is worse in my opinion than allowing you to express your points of view and hopefully be receptive to counter arguments.
- themitigating 4y ago
  What of people that read hypothetical posts like mine and decide to shoot up a synagogue. https://www.wired.com/story/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-gab-tree-of-life/ https://www.wired.com/story/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-ga...
  - mariusor 4y ago
    I think you're trivializing the issue quite a bit. But yes, I dislike the paternalism of considering everyone else on the internet stupid and incapable to making informed decisions when facing questionable points of view. I'm not qualified to speak with any authority about this issue, but my opinion is that people that are willing to shoot other people most likely have other incentives than reading a singular's dude online hate ramblings. The problem lies with the fact that they gets ostracized and _all_ they are able to read are the hateful things. If you go through the thread above, you'll see that my stance is the complete opposite of that: let's allow people say the "bad" things and balance them out with other peoples' "good" things. This theoretically would ensure that this person is not exposed to only hate and negativity, and will hopefully make a better decision than ending others' life and their own. Forcing this unbalanced individual to retreat into a corner of the internet where his opinion on other people goes unchallenged is unquestionably A BAD THING, and I doubt I'll change my mind on this fact any time soon.
    - themitigating 4y ago
      "This theoretically would ensure that this person is not exposed to only hate and negativity, and will hopefully make a better decision" .... "and I doubt I'll change my mind on this fact any time soon" You have high hopes of people changing their mind when presented with new information, except for yourself apparently
      - mariusor 4y ago
        I will not change my mind about this one thing, but I change my mind all the time about other things when I'm being presented information that challenges my point of view. It's a bit childish to veer into ad-hominem and take my words out of context just to try and keep the upper hand. :P
        themitigating 4y ago
        You set yourself up for that by declaring people to be open minded but then saying you couldn't have your mind changed. More importantly I don't think most people over a certain age change.
  - philippejara 4y ago
    they get arrested. The amount of violence that could be attributed to this sort of thing is so minuscule its barely a rounding error in overall figures. Just like school shootings it's extremely publicized but when it comes to the actual numbers it's nothing. On another note I'd go as far as to say that prohibiting it will make them even more radical and entrenched in their beliefs, germany has extremely strict anti-nazi laws and yet never stopped having neo-nazis, much to the contrary[0]. The people who are going to go as far as real life actions will find the daily stormer or whatever other website and now he will feel like a martyr and justified of some conspiracy or whatever. [0]:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/06/german-police-raid-neo-nazi-cells-across-country https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/06/german-police-...

mariusor 4y ago

I personally would dismiss you as a lunatic and racist in both cases and move on with my day. However I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to make a fool of yourself if you so choose. Making you feel like a martyr because you are being "censored" is worse in my opinion than allowing you to express your points of view and hopefully be receptive to counter arguments.

themitigating 4y ago
What of people that read hypothetical posts like mine and decide to shoot up a synagogue. https://www.wired.com/story/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-gab-tree-of-life/ https://www.wired.com/story/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-ga...
- mariusor 4y ago
  I think you're trivializing the issue quite a bit. But yes, I dislike the paternalism of considering everyone else on the internet stupid and incapable to making informed decisions when facing questionable points of view. I'm not qualified to speak with any authority about this issue, but my opinion is that people that are willing to shoot other people most likely have other incentives than reading a singular's dude online hate ramblings. The problem lies with the fact that they gets ostracized and _all_ they are able to read are the hateful things. If you go through the thread above, you'll see that my stance is the complete opposite of that: let's allow people say the "bad" things and balance them out with other peoples' "good" things. This theoretically would ensure that this person is not exposed to only hate and negativity, and will hopefully make a better decision than ending others' life and their own. Forcing this unbalanced individual to retreat into a corner of the internet where his opinion on other people goes unchallenged is unquestionably A BAD THING, and I doubt I'll change my mind on this fact any time soon.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    "This theoretically would ensure that this person is not exposed to only hate and negativity, and will hopefully make a better decision" .... "and I doubt I'll change my mind on this fact any time soon" You have high hopes of people changing their mind when presented with new information, except for yourself apparently
    - mariusor 4y ago
      I will not change my mind about this one thing, but I change my mind all the time about other things when I'm being presented information that challenges my point of view. It's a bit childish to veer into ad-hominem and take my words out of context just to try and keep the upper hand. :P
      - themitigating 4y ago
        You set yourself up for that by declaring people to be open minded but then saying you couldn't have your mind changed. More importantly I don't think most people over a certain age change.
- philippejara 4y ago
  they get arrested. The amount of violence that could be attributed to this sort of thing is so minuscule its barely a rounding error in overall figures. Just like school shootings it's extremely publicized but when it comes to the actual numbers it's nothing. On another note I'd go as far as to say that prohibiting it will make them even more radical and entrenched in their beliefs, germany has extremely strict anti-nazi laws and yet never stopped having neo-nazis, much to the contrary[0]. The people who are going to go as far as real life actions will find the daily stormer or whatever other website and now he will feel like a martyr and justified of some conspiracy or whatever. [0]:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/06/german-police-raid-neo-nazi-cells-across-country https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/06/german-police-...