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> If someone tells you power concentrated in the government is bad and power should be evenly distributed, they're talking about a flat democracy (aka direct de

> If someone tells you power concentrated in the government is bad and power should be evenly distributed, they're talking about a flat democracy (aka direct democracy). You're wrongly inferring that. No need to assume stuff when you can just ask the other person. > they're talking about a flat democracy (aka direct democracy). That does not describe a system where power is evenly distributed. Because of the already widely known problems you mentioned. Lots of folks learn this stuff in high school.

P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
How does one evenly distribute power without giving the same level of power to everyone? When you answer that you cannot do so, you're admitting to asking for a direct democracy. "Oh, but what about this adaptation that ..." puts more power into certain hands than another. Maybe it's flatter, but it's not even. It's sort of like saying people can fly. The second you add the requirement that it be actionable (aka, grounded in reality) is the same second you conclude people need something external to assist rather than flapping their arms really fast. you can't get around that no matter how much you'd like to.
- tchaffee 4y ago
  > How does one evenly distribute power without giving the same level of power to everyone? One attempt at this would be representational democracy. > When you answer that you cannot do so, you're admitting to asking for a direct democracy. No one gave that as an answer.
  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    https://www.thoughtco.com/representative-democracy-definition-pros-cons-4589561 https://www.thoughtco.com/representative-democracy-definitio... > The votes of elected officials in a representative democracy may not always reflect the will of the people. The officials are not bound by law to vote the way the people who elected them want them to vote. hummm.... that sounds like more power in the hands of less people. IOW, your argument is based in fiction. Which is cool, we need stories about people flapping their hands to fly. It's fun! We just need to be clear earlier in the conversation on whether or not reality is part of the goal or not.
    - tchaffee 4y ago
      > that sounds like more power in the hands of less people. Indeed. Fortunately the only person here that has a problem with that is the strawman you created. The strawman you continue to fight. From the original comment, with some emphasis to help your comprehension: "Concentrated power WITHOUT CHECKS AND BALANCES is the problem"

P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago

How does one evenly distribute power without giving the same level of power to everyone? When you answer that you cannot do so, you're admitting to asking for a direct democracy. "Oh, but what about this adaptation that ..." puts more power into certain hands than another. Maybe it's flatter, but it's not even. It's sort of like saying people can fly. The second you add the requirement that it be actionable (aka, grounded in reality) is the same second you conclude people need something external to assist rather than flapping their arms really fast. you can't get around that no matter how much you'd like to.

tchaffee 4y ago
> How does one evenly distribute power without giving the same level of power to everyone? One attempt at this would be representational democracy. > When you answer that you cannot do so, you're admitting to asking for a direct democracy. No one gave that as an answer.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  https://www.thoughtco.com/representative-democracy-definition-pros-cons-4589561 https://www.thoughtco.com/representative-democracy-definitio... > The votes of elected officials in a representative democracy may not always reflect the will of the people. The officials are not bound by law to vote the way the people who elected them want them to vote. hummm.... that sounds like more power in the hands of less people. IOW, your argument is based in fiction. Which is cool, we need stories about people flapping their hands to fly. It's fun! We just need to be clear earlier in the conversation on whether or not reality is part of the goal or not.
  - tchaffee 4y ago
    > that sounds like more power in the hands of less people. Indeed. Fortunately the only person here that has a problem with that is the strawman you created. The strawman you continue to fight. From the original comment, with some emphasis to help your comprehension: "Concentrated power WITHOUT CHECKS AND BALANCES is the problem"