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Reading the descriptions under the sibling comment, it seems to be something that every airline absolutely should offer their employees. You don't want them to

by gpvos 4y ago

Reading the descriptions under the sibling comment, it seems to be something that every airline absolutely should offer their employees. You don't want them to work illegally as that could mean huge fines for you.

thayne 4y ago
It's quite possible they consider the benefit of overworking their employees to be worth the risk of having to pay those fines.
- andrepd 4y ago
  Which clearly indicates that the fines need to me much higher, + probably specific accountability for individuals who made the calls, rather than just the corporation itself.
  - Rapzid 4y ago
    Sure, go increase those fines haha. In the meantime..
- deleted 4y ago
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bronco21016 4y ago
At most airlines there are two sets of scheduling rules. The regulatory rules, and the union contract negotiated rules. You can guess which one the company doesn’t want audited.
- fn-mote 4y ago
  Perhaps surprisingly, I can't. Violating "regulatory rules" should result in fines and the government coming down on you. I would think this is the worse outcome, but less likely than... Violating "union contract negotiated rules" should result in grievances ending in legal action if the employer doesn't agree they broke the rules. This should be a lighter penalty but the union seems more likely to pursue the remedy than the government. So which actually is it that the company considers worse?
  - bronco21016 4y ago
    Violating union contract rules requires the company to be called out on it. When the scheduling tools they provide to employees are archaic, strings of text spaghetti, and the contract is extremely complex, the likely hood of being called out on a violation by an employee is relatively low. Grievance settlements are often just a small amount of pay hours paid out for days off that are lost. Like maybe 4 hours of flight pay per day that there was an error. I’m not suggesting they willfully violate the contract either. Many of the schedulers are simply ignorant of the nuances in the rules because they’re complex. They are just trying to get trips covered. When employees are armed with knowledge greater than the scheduler(tools such as this, or often just experience) you end up with phone arguments/discussions that cause delays and cancellations. The company would far rather that they keep moving the jets and settle grievances for the handful of people that catch issues after the fact.

by gpvos 4y ago

thayne 4y ago

It's quite possible they consider the benefit of overworking their employees to be worth the risk of having to pay those fines.

andrepd 4y ago
Which clearly indicates that the fines need to me much higher, + probably specific accountability for individuals who made the calls, rather than just the corporation itself.
- Rapzid 4y ago
  Sure, go increase those fines haha. In the meantime..
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bronco21016 4y ago

At most airlines there are two sets of scheduling rules. The regulatory rules, and the union contract negotiated rules. You can guess which one the company doesn’t want audited.

fn-mote 4y ago
Perhaps surprisingly, I can't. Violating "regulatory rules" should result in fines and the government coming down on you. I would think this is the worse outcome, but less likely than... Violating "union contract negotiated rules" should result in grievances ending in legal action if the employer doesn't agree they broke the rules. This should be a lighter penalty but the union seems more likely to pursue the remedy than the government. So which actually is it that the company considers worse?
- bronco21016 4y ago
  Violating union contract rules requires the company to be called out on it. When the scheduling tools they provide to employees are archaic, strings of text spaghetti, and the contract is extremely complex, the likely hood of being called out on a violation by an employee is relatively low. Grievance settlements are often just a small amount of pay hours paid out for days off that are lost. Like maybe 4 hours of flight pay per day that there was an error. I’m not suggesting they willfully violate the contract either. Many of the schedulers are simply ignorant of the nuances in the rules because they’re complex. They are just trying to get trips covered. When employees are armed with knowledge greater than the scheduler(tools such as this, or often just experience) you end up with phone arguments/discussions that cause delays and cancellations. The company would far rather that they keep moving the jets and settle grievances for the handful of people that catch issues after the fact.