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Rule #1: don't start a business that depends on data owned by some other business. Rule #1-1: especially if your product adversely affects the other business.

Rule #1: don't start a business that depends on data owned by some other business. Rule #1-1: especially if your product adversely affects the other business. Rule #1-2: especially if the other business is much larger than yours.

saurik 4y ago
While true, is that relevant? This app is free and doesn't even have in-app purchases, so it sounds like it was just built by a person (one sufficiently human to its users that the reviews are directly written to or about "Jeff") who had some reason to care for this community and isn't a "business".
- TobyTheDog123 4y ago
  While true, is that relevant? I can easily see Apple siding with a business as large as AA over a single person trying to make a useful app for people.
  - mannerheim 4y ago
    If you choose a walled garden, you'll have to live at the mercy of gatekeepers.
renewiltord 4y ago
Well, it's not a business, and it doesn't adversely affect the other business so this is fine. The complaint isn't really by the app developer. It's mostly that life is being made hard for the attendants through blocking the developer.
- mannerheim 4y ago
  It adversely affects AA by making it more difficult to overwork their employees.
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ledauphin 4y ago
this may be true, but it's very disappointing. As BigCos keep getting bigger and owning more and more data, it is essentially a moratorium on individuals implementing good ideas that provide value to other individuals. As citizens we should oppose this concept of data ownership; you shouldn't be able to 'own' facts that the public and your employees already reasonably have access to.
Clent 4y ago
This is the most anti startup logic I've witnessed on here. Many startups have succeeded while violating all of these rules.
- TobyTheDog123 4y ago
  A lot of HackerNews posters are very sympathetic to the difficulties and troubles of massive billion-dollar companies.
- SoftTalker 4y ago
  Many have succeeded by breaking a variety of actual laws, e.g. Uber, Lyft.
carlmr 4y ago
Rule #1-1 doesn't really apply though. American Airlines seems to be shooting itself in the foot by making working for them harder. This is somebody doing something for free that brings them value.
pbourke 4y ago
This site is called Hacker News. This is an exemplary application of the hacker ethos - to apply skill and insight to make a digital system better for some group who is being underserved, without all-encompassing regard for the desires of the offending organization.

saurik 4y ago

While true, is that relevant? This app is free and doesn't even have in-app purchases, so it sounds like it was just built by a person (one sufficiently human to its users that the reviews are directly written to or about "Jeff") who had some reason to care for this community and isn't a "business".

TobyTheDog123 4y ago
While true, is that relevant? I can easily see Apple siding with a business as large as AA over a single person trying to make a useful app for people.
- mannerheim 4y ago
  If you choose a walled garden, you'll have to live at the mercy of gatekeepers.

renewiltord 4y ago

Well, it's not a business, and it doesn't adversely affect the other business so this is fine. The complaint isn't really by the app developer. It's mostly that life is being made hard for the attendants through blocking the developer.

mannerheim 4y ago
It adversely affects AA by making it more difficult to overwork their employees.

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ledauphin 4y ago

this may be true, but it's very disappointing. As BigCos keep getting bigger and owning more and more data, it is essentially a moratorium on individuals implementing good ideas that provide value to other individuals. As citizens we should oppose this concept of data ownership; you shouldn't be able to 'own' facts that the public and your employees already reasonably have access to.

Clent 4y ago

This is the most anti startup logic I've witnessed on here. Many startups have succeeded while violating all of these rules.

TobyTheDog123 4y ago
A lot of HackerNews posters are very sympathetic to the difficulties and troubles of massive billion-dollar companies.
SoftTalker 4y ago
Many have succeeded by breaking a variety of actual laws, e.g. Uber, Lyft.

carlmr 4y ago

Rule #1-1 doesn't really apply though. American Airlines seems to be shooting itself in the foot by making working for them harder. This is somebody doing something for free that brings them value.

pbourke 4y ago

This site is called Hacker News. This is an exemplary application of the hacker ethos - to apply skill and insight to make a digital system better for some group who is being underserved, without all-encompassing regard for the desires of the offending organization.