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Humans have to be rebooted at most every 2 days to avoid misleading auditory data among other things.

anonym29 4y ago
Your analogy made me laugh, but also made me think about how common fatal mental illness is among humans, and contrast that rate with the fatal plane crashes attributable to computing errors. It's a pretty amazing accomplishment for humanity to have developed systems as complex as modern jumbo jets with "brains" that are essentially more reliable than the ones that created them.
- jstarfish 4y ago
  > It's a pretty amazing accomplishment for humanity to have developed systems as complex as modern jumbo jets with "brains" that are essentially more reliable than the ones that created them. Load the airplane's "brain" with algorithms for how to survive, cooperate, adapt and replicate under every conceivable condition and you'll end up with a comparable system more complicated and worse-performing than ourselves. Not really a fair comparison. Self-driving cars (and robotics) would be better examples, since they attempt to emulate a broader swath of our sensory capabilities.
- masklinn 4y ago
  That development was built up over time and very much in blood though. Channels like Mentour are quite illuminating on that subject. And in fairness, reliability is a major point of automation.
- akiselev 4y ago
  You need more scare quotes around “reliable” than brain. The airplane requires constant almost daily maintenance by dozens of highly trained professionals and yet none of its chips will survive decades save for a few lucky passive components. Whereas going decades without seeing a qualified doctor has been the default state since the dawn of homo sapiens with nothing more than a good night’s sleep.
- nashashmi 4y ago
  > humanity to have developed systems as complex as modern jumbo jets with "brains" that are essentially more reliable than the ones that created them I would not compare human brains to tech. Maybe you can call them simpler and thus more reliable. The human brain is processing far more data than any processor humanity has made. The only comparison is humans handle various types of data whereas computers are designed to handle just a small batch.
- bmitc 4y ago
  > It's a pretty amazing accomplishment for humanity to have developed systems as complex as modern jumbo jets with "brains" that are essentially more reliable than the ones that created them. Airplanes are not reliable. That's why they require frequent and regular maintenance. Ignoring the poor analogy linking brains/humans to human built systems, if every human maintained their mental and physical health as much as airplanes get, then they'd all be much better off.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  You can also use simple tools to create incredibly accurate telescope mirrors.
paulette449 4y ago
I did an ultra running race that took 37 hours last month. I got maybe 10minutes sleep. I had hallucinated before during (shorter) long races but I had no idea that auditory hallucinations [1] were a thing. it was trippy "hearing" things for a solid 12 hours - mainly off-trail "voices" and the sound of "runners" approaching behind me. No matter how many times I stepped to the side to allow a non-existant runner go by, I kept doing it. It was that realistic [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_hallucination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_hallucination
- dtgriscom 4y ago
  Some people would pay for that effect.
- belval 4y ago
  How do you rationalize running for 37 hours while having hallucinations, I am legitimately curious. At what point do you say "I might be pushing myself too much"?
  - pb7 4y ago
    I’m not a runner but pushing yourself to your limits is the point of many sports. Humans like seeing how close they can get to death without succeeding.
  - aliqot 4y ago
    Your body goes into an autopilot trance. It's happened to me on long bike marathons where as long as your water, electrolytes and fuels are still coming in your brain is in this primal mode where your body knows what to do, and your brain shuts off. You will hear conversations in memories vividly, or the 'singing' of the frame of the bicycle and its connection with the pavement through your tires becomes readily apparent. Later Hominids are meant for this. Without being able to pass long time chasing our prey to the moment of its exhaustion, we'd not have been able to secure the cholesterol needed to further evolve our brains.
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Your analogy made me laugh, but also made me think about how common fatal mental illness is among humans, and contrast that rate with the fatal plane crashes attributable to computing errors. It's a pretty amazing accomplishment for humanity to have developed systems as complex as modern jumbo jets with "brains" that are essentially more reliable than the ones that created them.

jstarfish 4y ago
> It's a pretty amazing accomplishment for humanity to have developed systems as complex as modern jumbo jets with "brains" that are essentially more reliable than the ones that created them. Load the airplane's "brain" with algorithms for how to survive, cooperate, adapt and replicate under every conceivable condition and you'll end up with a comparable system more complicated and worse-performing than ourselves. Not really a fair comparison. Self-driving cars (and robotics) would be better examples, since they attempt to emulate a broader swath of our sensory capabilities.
masklinn 4y ago
That development was built up over time and very much in blood though. Channels like Mentour are quite illuminating on that subject. And in fairness, reliability is a major point of automation.
akiselev 4y ago
You need more scare quotes around “reliable” than brain. The airplane requires constant almost daily maintenance by dozens of highly trained professionals and yet none of its chips will survive decades save for a few lucky passive components. Whereas going decades without seeing a qualified doctor has been the default state since the dawn of homo sapiens with nothing more than a good night’s sleep.
nashashmi 4y ago
> humanity to have developed systems as complex as modern jumbo jets with "brains" that are essentially more reliable than the ones that created them I would not compare human brains to tech. Maybe you can call them simpler and thus more reliable. The human brain is processing far more data than any processor humanity has made. The only comparison is humans handle various types of data whereas computers are designed to handle just a small batch.
bmitc 4y ago
> It's a pretty amazing accomplishment for humanity to have developed systems as complex as modern jumbo jets with "brains" that are essentially more reliable than the ones that created them. Airplanes are not reliable. That's why they require frequent and regular maintenance. Ignoring the poor analogy linking brains/humans to human built systems, if every human maintained their mental and physical health as much as airplanes get, then they'd all be much better off.
WalterBright 4y ago
You can also use simple tools to create incredibly accurate telescope mirrors.

paulette449 4y ago

I did an ultra running race that took 37 hours last month. I got maybe 10minutes sleep. I had hallucinated before during (shorter) long races but I had no idea that auditory hallucinations [1] were a thing. it was trippy "hearing" things for a solid 12 hours - mainly off-trail "voices" and the sound of "runners" approaching behind me. No matter how many times I stepped to the side to allow a non-existant runner go by, I kept doing it. It was that realistic [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_hallucination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_hallucination

dtgriscom 4y ago
Some people would pay for that effect.
belval 4y ago
How do you rationalize running for 37 hours while having hallucinations, I am legitimately curious. At what point do you say "I might be pushing myself too much"?
- pb7 4y ago
  I’m not a runner but pushing yourself to your limits is the point of many sports. Humans like seeing how close they can get to death without succeeding.
- aliqot 4y ago
  Your body goes into an autopilot trance. It's happened to me on long bike marathons where as long as your water, electrolytes and fuels are still coming in your brain is in this primal mode where your body knows what to do, and your brain shuts off. You will hear conversations in memories vividly, or the 'singing' of the frame of the bicycle and its connection with the pavement through your tires becomes readily apparent. Later Hominids are meant for this. Without being able to pass long time chasing our prey to the moment of its exhaustion, we'd not have been able to secure the cholesterol needed to further evolve our brains.
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