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> I cannot even conjure up a single reason when this is a benefit to the individual. I find no individual value in meetings, but I still accept participation a

> I cannot even conjure up a single reason when this is a benefit to the individual. I find no individual value in meetings, but I still accept participation a lot of the time as it appears that others derive benefit from my contributions. Perhaps direct individual benefit misses the forest for the trees? Clearly there is some kind of benefit found else nobody would accept and we wouldn't be there to talk about it.

scrapcode 4y ago
In my experience the benefit found through training is often so that the employer can check a box that reduces their liability. I have certainly worked for some pretty shoddy employers, but if the employer was interested in you getting something out of it, why not let you as an individual or a group decide what that training is?
kjkjadksj 4y ago
For a lot of workplace training I’ve had, the only beneficiary must be the HR department that can use this compliance data to get a better deal on corporate insurance having everyone reading certain laws. Or in theory they are reading those laws, everyone I know clicks through these HR slideshows at light speed.
- randomdata 4y ago
  HR may be the only direct beneficiary, but if you don't receive something out of the deal, why would you do it? You, of course, wouldn't. The indirect benefits aren't always obvious, of course. Perhaps someone in HR is your friend and they being happy from having a less complicated job allows for you to gain a stronger friendship, and so you don't mind helping them out to your ultimate benefit. Who knows what is specifically motiving people, but we do know that not even the greatest saint can successfully push himself to do something that is completely free of benefit.
wing-_-nuts 4y ago
I think it's entirely reasonable to ask about the benefit to the individual if there are individual costs
- randomdata 4y ago
  Time has shown over and over again that an individual will not enter into an agreement without a perceived benefit. You can ask to see if the benefit is a strong enough one for you to make the same agreement, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. No two people are the same. Everyone has different goals and desires.
  - Gibbon1 4y ago
    Well yes of course. For example in the early middle ages millions of dirt farmers took oath of bondage after a bad harvest. Because otherwise his family would starve.
    - randomdata 4y ago
      For sure. There is likely no greater benefit that one can derive than avoiding starvation. Although there isn't much of a modern day parallel there given that citizenry of the US have already agreed to afford each other that benefit for an exchange in kind. Individuals need not worry about additional transactions deriving a hunger resolving benefit.

scrapcode 4y ago

In my experience the benefit found through training is often so that the employer can check a box that reduces their liability. I have certainly worked for some pretty shoddy employers, but if the employer was interested in you getting something out of it, why not let you as an individual or a group decide what that training is?

kjkjadksj 4y ago

For a lot of workplace training I’ve had, the only beneficiary must be the HR department that can use this compliance data to get a better deal on corporate insurance having everyone reading certain laws. Or in theory they are reading those laws, everyone I know clicks through these HR slideshows at light speed.

randomdata 4y ago
HR may be the only direct beneficiary, but if you don't receive something out of the deal, why would you do it? You, of course, wouldn't. The indirect benefits aren't always obvious, of course. Perhaps someone in HR is your friend and they being happy from having a less complicated job allows for you to gain a stronger friendship, and so you don't mind helping them out to your ultimate benefit. Who knows what is specifically motiving people, but we do know that not even the greatest saint can successfully push himself to do something that is completely free of benefit.

wing-_-nuts 4y ago

I think it's entirely reasonable to ask about the benefit to the individual if there are individual costs

randomdata 4y ago
Time has shown over and over again that an individual will not enter into an agreement without a perceived benefit. You can ask to see if the benefit is a strong enough one for you to make the same agreement, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. No two people are the same. Everyone has different goals and desires.
- Gibbon1 4y ago
  Well yes of course. For example in the early middle ages millions of dirt farmers took oath of bondage after a bad harvest. Because otherwise his family would starve.
  - randomdata 4y ago
    For sure. There is likely no greater benefit that one can derive than avoiding starvation. Although there isn't much of a modern day parallel there given that citizenry of the US have already agreed to afford each other that benefit for an exchange in kind. Individuals need not worry about additional transactions deriving a hunger resolving benefit.