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I didn't read the article (I know, I know), but I think it would be really cool to get to run other languages in the frontend. Javascript just plain sucks. Havi

I didn't read the article (I know, I know), but I think it would be really cool to get to run other languages in the frontend. Javascript just plain sucks. Having something like Kotlin or golang (in a reduced form) would be really neat and could professionalize the frontend even more. I think the frontend is always a bit wild west, compared to most backend implementations. That's not only due to more testing but also stronger language guarantees.

gavinray 4y ago
Kotlin transpiles to JavaScript natively already, and you can run Go in the browser by targeting WASM - https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html - https://github.com/vugu/vugu https://github.com/vugu/vugu
- RamblingCTO 4y ago
  I know that you can transpile, but in my experience with other languages (clojure + python) that transpile the compilers guarantees were kinda week. Do you have experience with any of the two?
  - gavinray 4y ago
    Kotlin JS transpilation is very solid It has tools both to emit TypeScript definitions from Kotlin, and to generate Kotlin types from TS libraries ("Dukat" tool) Go I do not have much experience with unfortunately
MuffinFlavored 4y ago
> Javascript just plain sucks. Can you say why? I don't agree/blanket statements like this seem sorta silly.
- RamblingCTO 4y ago
  Do we really have to have this discussion after it has been discussed a thousand times? That you need something like TypeScript is a telltale sign. You also can do weird shit with it, that doesn't make any sense. That's documented well enough imho. Javascript gives almost no language-enforced guarantees, which causes bugs. It's such a simple thing to have compiler guarantees but it has so much effect. For example when switching from java to kotlin. PS: I also mentioned language guarantees in my parent post ;)
nwsm 4y ago
If you read the article you might learn something about WebAssembly which will do the things you're talking about.

gavinray 4y ago

Kotlin transpiles to JavaScript natively already, and you can run Go in the browser by targeting WASM - https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html - https://github.com/vugu/vugu https://github.com/vugu/vugu

RamblingCTO 4y ago
I know that you can transpile, but in my experience with other languages (clojure + python) that transpile the compilers guarantees were kinda week. Do you have experience with any of the two?
- gavinray 4y ago
  Kotlin JS transpilation is very solid It has tools both to emit TypeScript definitions from Kotlin, and to generate Kotlin types from TS libraries ("Dukat" tool) Go I do not have much experience with unfortunately

MuffinFlavored 4y ago

> Javascript just plain sucks. Can you say why? I don't agree/blanket statements like this seem sorta silly.

RamblingCTO 4y ago
Do we really have to have this discussion after it has been discussed a thousand times? That you need something like TypeScript is a telltale sign. You also can do weird shit with it, that doesn't make any sense. That's documented well enough imho. Javascript gives almost no language-enforced guarantees, which causes bugs. It's such a simple thing to have compiler guarantees but it has so much effect. For example when switching from java to kotlin. PS: I also mentioned language guarantees in my parent post ;)

nwsm 4y ago

If you read the article you might learn something about WebAssembly which will do the things you're talking about.