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Of course - if you want to eat and have a house and make money and your options are limited due to the lack of any societal norm that people should be cared for

Of course - if you want to eat and have a house and make money and your options are limited due to the lack of any societal norm that people should be cared for and you weren’t privileged to have opportunities to or the the ability to develop skills that are worth money — then you should just be homeless instead of signing yourself into 10s of thousands of dollars of debt to a corporation. Or you should be grateful for the opportunity to be contractually enslaved?

refurb 4y ago
Are you saying semi-skilled jobs are hard to come by? That the woman in the article that was a hairdresser couldn't possibly find another hairdressing job? The other example from the article was nursing. Nursing is in huge demand. That woman most certainly had other options. I worked in Europe. My contract said my company had to give me 3 months notice before quitting. And I had to give 3 months notice before quitting. If I didn't, I had to pay the company the equivalent of 1 months salary for each month of notice I didn't give. So if I just up and quit, I'd have to pay 3 months salary. Was I a "indentured servant" too?
- Buttons840 4y ago
  > Nursing is in huge demand. That woman most certainly had other options. Part of the problem is the people creating the contracts are perfectly willing to place the burden on existing nurses and allow patients to suffer. Even when already short staffed, hospitals are not under much pressure to renegotiate a contract.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  > And I had to give 3 months notice before quitting. That's pretty crazy. So if you apply to a new job you have to tell them: "I can start 3 months from now, no sooner"? Edit: This kind of clause seems so counter-productive to the employer. If I was forced to give 3 months notice, I'd be checked out for 2/3+ of that time. What are they going to do? Fire me?
  - refurb 4y ago
    That's the trade off. As an employee, you get more protection against firing for no reason and in exchange, the company get the same protection. So yeah, when you get a new job you either tell your new employer to wait or you get them to pay off your current contract.
  - mattkrause 4y ago
    If everyone has that 3-month notice requirement, then it’s not such a big deal.

refurb 4y ago

Are you saying semi-skilled jobs are hard to come by? That the woman in the article that was a hairdresser couldn't possibly find another hairdressing job? The other example from the article was nursing. Nursing is in huge demand. That woman most certainly had other options. I worked in Europe. My contract said my company had to give me 3 months notice before quitting. And I had to give 3 months notice before quitting. If I didn't, I had to pay the company the equivalent of 1 months salary for each month of notice I didn't give. So if I just up and quit, I'd have to pay 3 months salary. Was I a "indentured servant" too?

Buttons840 4y ago
> Nursing is in huge demand. That woman most certainly had other options. Part of the problem is the people creating the contracts are perfectly willing to place the burden on existing nurses and allow patients to suffer. Even when already short staffed, hospitals are not under much pressure to renegotiate a contract.
AlexandrB 4y ago
> And I had to give 3 months notice before quitting. That's pretty crazy. So if you apply to a new job you have to tell them: "I can start 3 months from now, no sooner"? Edit: This kind of clause seems so counter-productive to the employer. If I was forced to give 3 months notice, I'd be checked out for 2/3+ of that time. What are they going to do? Fire me?
- refurb 4y ago
  That's the trade off. As an employee, you get more protection against firing for no reason and in exchange, the company get the same protection. So yeah, when you get a new job you either tell your new employer to wait or you get them to pay off your current contract.
- mattkrause 4y ago
  If everyone has that 3-month notice requirement, then it’s not such a big deal.