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>how spent the Russian forces are How spent are the Russian forces? They haven't even applied 15% of their full forces to this operation, Western agitprop not

by aa-jv 4y ago

>how spent the Russian forces are How spent are the Russian forces? They haven't even applied 15% of their full forces to this operation, Western agitprop notwithstanding. >The processes in Russia aren't very democratic, considering the way Putin controls the media and locks up the opposition. At least as democratic as the West. He has not had the power he needs to field a full war-fighting force - only "special military operations" capabilities. The longer this war goes on, the more justification ("Ma' Terrorists!") he has to pull off the gloves. 3 weeks from now, we will see what that looks like. I'd wager its going to be a much different scenario than the current "special military operation". (NOTE: I am not pro-Russia - I am 100% anti-war.. ALL war, including our own heinous drone attacks on civilians...)

brokenmachine 4y ago
That post is the wrongest thing I've read this week. It's so wrong I don't know where to start. We shall see in three weeks who is correct. When the gloves come off, lol. The pants have already fallen down... might as well take the gloves off too.
trasz 4y ago
>How spent are the Russian forces? They haven't even applied 15% of their full forces to this operation This is in stark contrast to what analysts are saying, which is that Russia already _lost_ about half of its military. Visually confirmed losses of Russian tanks alone are over one thousand units. Russians are so desperate they had to introduce mandatory conscription, despite it being a suicide from political point of view. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs, and you hadn’t provided a single source that would support your view. >as democratic as West Lol, no. Russia isn’t even a dysfunctional democracy; it lacks basic prerequisites to become one. You’re probably imagining Russia is kind of like Eastern Europe, only poorer. It’s not - the "cultural distance” between Russia and, say, Poland is much greater then between Poland and, say, UK.
- aa-jv 4y ago
  Analysts - on TV - are telling you what to think: because its their job to spread propaganda and make the general public think what is necessary for the Pentagon to get its wishes. Make the effort to get past the propaganda wall and you will see a much different picture. Paul Stephan agreed that there is a distinction between democracy and liberalism in Russia: "Russia enjoys robust democratic institutions at least as vigorous as Japan, Korea, Italy, France, and Germany." https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/putin-and-the-russian-tradition-illiberal-democratic https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/putin-and-the-russi...
  - notahacker 4y ago
    Frankly, you could watch the Russian propaganda and get a less absurdly rosy picture of Russian performance in the war than the one you're painting...
    - aa-jv 4y ago
      The other side is always propaganda, and our side is always the truth: got it.
      - notahacker 4y ago
        No, but if the other side's official state media is admitting that they might have screwed up mass conscription in their desperate haste whilst nationalist bloggers fume about military defeats and the government threatening them for reporting on them, whilst you're arguing things are going smoothly for them and the reason they're losing territory they now claim to be Russia's is because they casually withdrew their 85% of their army for unexplained "democratic" reasons, you have no interest in truth.
        aa-jv 4y ago
        Maybe you're only paying attention to the narrative that suits your prejudice. Fact: it was a "special military operation" - this is not the same as an all-out war/invasion. Putins' hands were tied as to what he could deploy - the West has successfully used its propaganda outlets to parley this as 'Russia military is a fail'. That conclusion is premature - when Russia fields a full war force, the story may be different. Fact: The army was withdrawn to prevent further civilian casualties in the regions that have already suffered 8 years of catastrophic war, involving the massacre of civilians by armed forces. As to your appeal to authority figures on TV, I can only assume you are unwilling to make an effort to look further than the idiot box for information, and are therefore not really arguing in good faith. I suggest you peak around the curtains and try not to get distracted by the broken mirrors ..

by aa-jv 4y ago

brokenmachine 4y ago

That post is the wrongest thing I've read this week. It's so wrong I don't know where to start. We shall see in three weeks who is correct. When the gloves come off, lol. The pants have already fallen down... might as well take the gloves off too.

trasz 4y ago

>How spent are the Russian forces? They haven't even applied 15% of their full forces to this operation This is in stark contrast to what analysts are saying, which is that Russia already _lost_ about half of its military. Visually confirmed losses of Russian tanks alone are over one thousand units. Russians are so desperate they had to introduce mandatory conscription, despite it being a suicide from political point of view. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs, and you hadn’t provided a single source that would support your view. >as democratic as West Lol, no. Russia isn’t even a dysfunctional democracy; it lacks basic prerequisites to become one. You’re probably imagining Russia is kind of like Eastern Europe, only poorer. It’s not - the "cultural distance” between Russia and, say, Poland is much greater then between Poland and, say, UK.

aa-jv 4y ago
Analysts - on TV - are telling you what to think: because its their job to spread propaganda and make the general public think what is necessary for the Pentagon to get its wishes. Make the effort to get past the propaganda wall and you will see a much different picture. Paul Stephan agreed that there is a distinction between democracy and liberalism in Russia: "Russia enjoys robust democratic institutions at least as vigorous as Japan, Korea, Italy, France, and Germany." https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/putin-and-the-russian-tradition-illiberal-democratic https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/putin-and-the-russi...
- notahacker 4y ago
  Frankly, you could watch the Russian propaganda and get a less absurdly rosy picture of Russian performance in the war than the one you're painting...
  - aa-jv 4y ago
    The other side is always propaganda, and our side is always the truth: got it.
    - notahacker 4y ago
      No, but if the other side's official state media is admitting that they might have screwed up mass conscription in their desperate haste whilst nationalist bloggers fume about military defeats and the government threatening them for reporting on them, whilst you're arguing things are going smoothly for them and the reason they're losing territory they now claim to be Russia's is because they casually withdrew their 85% of their army for unexplained "democratic" reasons, you have no interest in truth.
      - aa-jv 4y ago
        Maybe you're only paying attention to the narrative that suits your prejudice. Fact: it was a "special military operation" - this is not the same as an all-out war/invasion. Putins' hands were tied as to what he could deploy - the West has successfully used its propaganda outlets to parley this as 'Russia military is a fail'. That conclusion is premature - when Russia fields a full war force, the story may be different. Fact: The army was withdrawn to prevent further civilian casualties in the regions that have already suffered 8 years of catastrophic war, involving the massacre of civilians by armed forces. As to your appeal to authority figures on TV, I can only assume you are unwilling to make an effort to look further than the idiot box for information, and are therefore not really arguing in good faith. I suggest you peak around the curtains and try not to get distracted by the broken mirrors ..