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>clueless tankie. Keep your hate-filled agit-prop to yourself and try to stay rational. I'm not rooting for Russia - I'm trying to indicate you are in danger

by aa-jv 4y ago

>clueless tankie. Keep your hate-filled agit-prop to yourself and try to stay rational. I'm not rooting for Russia - I'm trying to indicate you are in danger of mis-underestimating your enemy - a fatal mistake to make! I'm not mentioning "terrorist attacks on Russian state" because I agree that thats what they are - I am 100% anti-war, no matter who is fighting it - but that is what Russia's democratic process requires in order to authorize an escalation of its "special military operation" to a broader war-fighting stance. In precisely the same way that the USA needed terrorist attacks to justify its own special military operations around the world, Russia has the very same condition in its own democratic processes - and whether you like it or not, Russia is just as democratic as the USA - they just don't vote for people you like. Whether you agree or not, Russia has not applied the full forces of its military to this "special operation" - this will happen in the next few weeks, now that the political conditions within Russia are in place to authorize the use of such force. You don't really think Putin can just dictate that a war happen - just like the USA, Putins' power is limited by democratic processes. Know Your Enemy! Putins' hands have been tied thus far - once the gloves come off, you might change your mind about Russia's weaknesses ...

mcv 4y ago
You say they haven't applied the full force of its military, but considering how spent the Russian forces are, it's not at all clear that Russia really has significantly more forces that can be used. Other than nukes, of course. > Putins' power is limited by democratic processes. The processes in Russia aren't very democratic, considering the way Putin controls the media and locks up the opposition. But you're right that his power isn't absolute; no power ever is. If too many Russians rebel against him, his security apparatus won't save him. On top of that, he needs to keep the support of the military, Wagner, the nationalist, and various other groups, and if he loses that support, he's also lost. So he has to be careful and ensure he keeps sufficient domestic justification for what he does.
- aa-jv 4y ago
  >how spent the Russian forces are How spent are the Russian forces? They haven't even applied 15% of their full forces to this operation, Western agitprop notwithstanding. >The processes in Russia aren't very democratic, considering the way Putin controls the media and locks up the opposition. At least as democratic as the West. He has not had the power he needs to field a full war-fighting force - only "special military operations" capabilities. The longer this war goes on, the more justification ("Ma' Terrorists!") he has to pull off the gloves. 3 weeks from now, we will see what that looks like. I'd wager its going to be a much different scenario than the current "special military operation". (NOTE: I am not pro-Russia - I am 100% anti-war.. ALL war, including our own heinous drone attacks on civilians...)
  - brokenmachine 4y ago
    That post is the wrongest thing I've read this week. It's so wrong I don't know where to start. We shall see in three weeks who is correct. When the gloves come off, lol. The pants have already fallen down... might as well take the gloves off too.
  - trasz 4y ago
    >How spent are the Russian forces? They haven't even applied 15% of their full forces to this operation This is in stark contrast to what analysts are saying, which is that Russia already _lost_ about half of its military. Visually confirmed losses of Russian tanks alone are over one thousand units. Russians are so desperate they had to introduce mandatory conscription, despite it being a suicide from political point of view. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs, and you hadn’t provided a single source that would support your view. >as democratic as West Lol, no. Russia isn’t even a dysfunctional democracy; it lacks basic prerequisites to become one. You’re probably imagining Russia is kind of like Eastern Europe, only poorer. It’s not - the "cultural distance” between Russia and, say, Poland is much greater then between Poland and, say, UK.
    - aa-jv 4y ago
      Analysts - on TV - are telling you what to think: because its their job to spread propaganda and make the general public think what is necessary for the Pentagon to get its wishes. Make the effort to get past the propaganda wall and you will see a much different picture. Paul Stephan agreed that there is a distinction between democracy and liberalism in Russia: "Russia enjoys robust democratic institutions at least as vigorous as Japan, Korea, Italy, France, and Germany." https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/putin-and-the-russian-tradition-illiberal-democratic https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/putin-and-the-russi...

by aa-jv 4y ago

mcv 4y ago

You say they haven't applied the full force of its military, but considering how spent the Russian forces are, it's not at all clear that Russia really has significantly more forces that can be used. Other than nukes, of course. > Putins' power is limited by democratic processes. The processes in Russia aren't very democratic, considering the way Putin controls the media and locks up the opposition. But you're right that his power isn't absolute; no power ever is. If too many Russians rebel against him, his security apparatus won't save him. On top of that, he needs to keep the support of the military, Wagner, the nationalist, and various other groups, and if he loses that support, he's also lost. So he has to be careful and ensure he keeps sufficient domestic justification for what he does.

aa-jv 4y ago
>how spent the Russian forces are How spent are the Russian forces? They haven't even applied 15% of their full forces to this operation, Western agitprop notwithstanding. >The processes in Russia aren't very democratic, considering the way Putin controls the media and locks up the opposition. At least as democratic as the West. He has not had the power he needs to field a full war-fighting force - only "special military operations" capabilities. The longer this war goes on, the more justification ("Ma' Terrorists!") he has to pull off the gloves. 3 weeks from now, we will see what that looks like. I'd wager its going to be a much different scenario than the current "special military operation". (NOTE: I am not pro-Russia - I am 100% anti-war.. ALL war, including our own heinous drone attacks on civilians...)
- brokenmachine 4y ago
  That post is the wrongest thing I've read this week. It's so wrong I don't know where to start. We shall see in three weeks who is correct. When the gloves come off, lol. The pants have already fallen down... might as well take the gloves off too.
- trasz 4y ago
  >How spent are the Russian forces? They haven't even applied 15% of their full forces to this operation This is in stark contrast to what analysts are saying, which is that Russia already _lost_ about half of its military. Visually confirmed losses of Russian tanks alone are over one thousand units. Russians are so desperate they had to introduce mandatory conscription, despite it being a suicide from political point of view. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs, and you hadn’t provided a single source that would support your view. >as democratic as West Lol, no. Russia isn’t even a dysfunctional democracy; it lacks basic prerequisites to become one. You’re probably imagining Russia is kind of like Eastern Europe, only poorer. It’s not - the "cultural distance” between Russia and, say, Poland is much greater then between Poland and, say, UK.
  - aa-jv 4y ago
    Analysts - on TV - are telling you what to think: because its their job to spread propaganda and make the general public think what is necessary for the Pentagon to get its wishes. Make the effort to get past the propaganda wall and you will see a much different picture. Paul Stephan agreed that there is a distinction between democracy and liberalism in Russia: "Russia enjoys robust democratic institutions at least as vigorous as Japan, Korea, Italy, France, and Germany." https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/putin-and-the-russian-tradition-illiberal-democratic https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/putin-and-the-russi...