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> there was a notion These are weasel words. The antivax movement among progressive west-coast parents in the US has been covered frequently in the national me

by muglug 4y ago

> there was a notion These are weasel words. The antivax movement among progressive west-coast parents in the US has been covered frequently in the national media e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/us/measles-outbreak.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/us/measles-outbreak.html > The people not getting vaccinated are the people who have dealt with the government the most. This is also not true. They're mostly people with low educational attainment who are more susceptible to misinformation, but I can see the narrative you're trying to create! > In fact, swallowing wholesale the narrative by people who have a vast history of lying(or no history of any truth/intelligent ideas) is the least intelligent thing one can do. Good governments generally understand this, and the most effective health policy during the pandemic was to give the mic to the scientific community.

pcdoodle 4y ago
A lot of the people not taking the vaxx were waiting for the science to stop changing, It never did. Stop talking down to these people.
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
  Genuinely asking: wdym waiting for the science to stop changing? I thought science is always changing, that’s how it works.
  - yucky 4y ago
    I thought so too, and yet I can't count how many times I've heard the phrase "the science is settled" when it came to any pushback on the prevailing narrative surrounding COVID or mRNA vaccines in general. Even just the argument to support mandates has completely changed, and yet too late for those who lost their jobs.
iinnPP 4y ago
I'm not sure why you're suggesting I am being dishonest, twice. There are billions of webpages that presumably say just about everything possible. The link to the NYT article that was never promoted doesn't do much in this regard There are also plenty of scientists who have different opinions. Only scientists with certain opinions are given interviews/timeslots. This applies to Fox as it does CNN. None of that matters though. My points were not about vaccinations, they were about hate. The why isn't really important.
wickedsight 4y ago
> This is also not true. They're mostly people with low educational attainment who are more susceptible to misinformation, but I can see the narrative you're trying to create! How is that creating a narrative? People with low education are also often people who deal with government programs a lot. Through medicare, social security, VA, police, public schooling, public housing and I can keep on going, these people are often dependent on government. And that combined with lower mental capacity really doesn't help. > Good governments generally understand this, and the most effective health policy during the pandemic was to give the mic to the scientific community. That's what they did in my country... And in my country, the covid anti-vaxxers are very relatable to the ones in the US. Hell, they get most their information from Q-anon.
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by muglug 4y ago

pcdoodle 4y ago

A lot of the people not taking the vaxx were waiting for the science to stop changing, It never did. Stop talking down to these people.

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
Genuinely asking: wdym waiting for the science to stop changing? I thought science is always changing, that’s how it works.
- yucky 4y ago
  I thought so too, and yet I can't count how many times I've heard the phrase "the science is settled" when it came to any pushback on the prevailing narrative surrounding COVID or mRNA vaccines in general. Even just the argument to support mandates has completely changed, and yet too late for those who lost their jobs.

iinnPP 4y ago

I'm not sure why you're suggesting I am being dishonest, twice. There are billions of webpages that presumably say just about everything possible. The link to the NYT article that was never promoted doesn't do much in this regard There are also plenty of scientists who have different opinions. Only scientists with certain opinions are given interviews/timeslots. This applies to Fox as it does CNN. None of that matters though. My points were not about vaccinations, they were about hate. The why isn't really important.

wickedsight 4y ago

> This is also not true. They're mostly people with low educational attainment who are more susceptible to misinformation, but I can see the narrative you're trying to create! How is that creating a narrative? People with low education are also often people who deal with government programs a lot. Through medicare, social security, VA, police, public schooling, public housing and I can keep on going, these people are often dependent on government. And that combined with lower mental capacity really doesn't help. > Good governments generally understand this, and the most effective health policy during the pandemic was to give the mic to the scientific community. That's what they did in my country... And in my country, the covid anti-vaxxers are very relatable to the ones in the US. Hell, they get most their information from Q-anon.

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